Any significance to the final gear ratio choices available?

[6500rpm]

I've been looking at 2013-15 SHO's and as a fleet Tech I have access to Ford Oasis to run Service History and RPO build codes. One thing I've noticed is that they come with two Final Drive Ratio options- (EGADD) 3.16 final drive, and (EGAAM) 2.77 final drive. My question, is the final gear ratio choice an indication of a particular performance option? Is one more desireable than the other? Any known issues with either one of them?

 

[SHO T1M3]

That's one of the main differences between the performance package and non-PP SHO's. It's really a matter of preference (how you drive, if you expect to track the car, etc).
PP SHO's have the higher final drive for slightly quicker acceleration, a full off traction control button, partial Alcantara steering wheel, special 20"wheels with SHO embossed in them and summer tires from the factory. Additionally, they have stiffer suspension and extra cooling capacity: radiator, trans, ptu cooler, even the caliper pistons are cross drilled to dissipate heat.

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[SHO T1M3]

If you can get you hands on an ecoboost interceptor sedan, the final drive on that is even higher! (3.39)

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[shogazm]

This has been discussed elsewhere, and occasionally gets revived from time to time.....

The truth is, at least with this platform only, the 2.77 geared cars have always consistently been the fastest.

Over and over and over again

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[SHO T1M3]

This has been discussed elsewhere, and occasionally gets revived from time to time.....

The truth is, at least with this platform only, the 2.77 geared cars have always consistently been the fastest.

Over and over and over again

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Thanks shogasm

Is that for 0-60, 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, all of the above?
Stock for stock or tuned?

I don't mean to question, but personally haven't looked that much into it. I just know from my Gran Turismo days (lol) that higher final drives lend themselves to faster acceleration (for the most part) and lower top speeds. I would assume this isn't the case with our platform due to the short powerband located in the midrange? I know the higher gearing in my old 5spd Evo 9 helped out vs my old 5spd Evo 8.
Has anyone compared these to the interceptor sedans 3.39 gears yet?

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[6500rpm]

Taller gears (3.16) are actually a lower gear ratio and should gain it's advantage on the launch end of the world where the 2.77's should have higher top end speeds, really not an issue in my case but you hit on something I was looking for. I was thinking the 3.16 gear set would be part of a performance package, but I have yet to find one listed when I go through the list of RPO codes associated with the 3.16 gear ratio that calls out anything to do with performance package, extra coolers, etc.


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[OmaHahn]

This has been discussed elsewhere, and occasionally gets revived from time to time.....

The truth is, at least with this platform only, the 2.77 geared cars have always consistently been the fastest.

Over and over and over again

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I find this hard to believe! Are we comparing apples to apples? Same tune? Same drag strip with same DA numbers, etc? Gears make a huge difference in 0-60, 1/8, and 1/4 mile times. You can't possibly have the same "exact," car one with 2.77 and the other with 3.16 and the 2.77 is faster - math and science doesn't compute.

 

[SHO T1M3]

I find this hard to believe! Are we comparing apples to apples? Same tune? Same drag strip with same DA numbers, etc? Gears make a huge difference in 0-60, 1/8, and 1/4 mile times. You can't possibly have the same "exact," car one with 2.77 and the other with 3.16 and the 2.77 is faster - math and science doesn't compute.

My point exactly, although I'm not an authority on this platform. Being slower to 60mph seems possible if the taller gears cause an extra shift to reach 60mph, but I don't see how it would adversely affect the 1/8 and 1/4 times. It should only affect top speed based on the redline.

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[SilverSH0]

While I would say the gear ratio is insignificant in itself for a choice I would say it matters. The higher ratio indicates the PP that comes with multiple coolers for the PTU, trans, etc. Depending on how one will drive the car, I woulds say getting those is the more important choice than what gear ratio one gets.

 

[sholxgt]

While I would say the gear ratio is insignificant in itself for a choice I would say it matters. The higher ratio indicates the PP that comes with multiple coolers for the PTU, trans, etc. Depending on how one will drive the car, I woulds say getting those is the more important choice than what gear ratio one gets.

Totally agree. A SHO with PP was my first choice when shopping. Somehow I ended up with an MKS...doh!

 

[6500rpm]

SilverSHO is hitting on what I'm looking to find out, but I'm not sure if my terminology jives with some of you. I consider 3.16= low gear ratio, and 2.77 to be the high gear ratio. Which ratio= Performance Package??? (I was thinking it was the 3.16?)

In my readings, the item I want is the additional coolers. I was thinking that the 3.16 gear set was the performance package, but if you look at the RPO codes on my sample car above which has the 3.16 gears, I don't see anything regarding performance package and it even has a C9LAA- LESS ENGINE OIL COOLER designation which I've seen a lot on the VIN's I've ran while looking for a car. (cars with either gear ratio have had that RPO code)

SHO T1m3 also made a comment that one of the markers for a Performance Package vehicle was the 20"wheels with SHO embossed in them. I was under the impression that all the Base SHO's had those?

Hang with me guys, I just want to make sure I'm hunting the right car. I've got around 4600 vehicles in my fleet at work, a large number of them are Eco boost Fords, and I can tell you that even with the synthetic oil the turbo's really cook it. I've seen cars come in for their first oil change at 5000 miles and the oil is pitch black. Pitch black to me=carbon and carbon in the engine=abrasive. Anything I can get that lessens that is a good thing in my view. Clue me in on what items I need to look for to identify a PP SHO, I'm looking to drop the hammer and make a purchase in the near future.

 

[sholxgt]

I would ignore all else. If it's an SHO with 3.16 ratio, it has the PP. The other things that give away a PP is the Alcantara steering wheel and Traction Control off switch in the center console.

Edit...this one item is also a key.
AACSA SHO PACKAGE 1

Package 1 is the Performance Package.

 

[SHO T1M3]

SilverSHO is hitting on what I'm looking to find out, but I'm not sure if my terminology jives with some of you. I consider 3.16= low gear ratio, and 2.77 to be the high gear ratio. Which ratio= Performance Package??? (I was thinking it was the 3.16?)

In my readings, the item I want is the additional coolers. I was thinking that the 3.16 gear set was the performance package, but if you look at the RPO codes on my sample car above which has the 3.16 gears, I don't see anything regarding performance package and it even has a C9LAA- LESS ENGINE OIL COOLER designation which I've seen a lot on the VIN's I've ran while looking for a car. (cars with either gear ratio have had that RPO code)

SHO T1m3 also made a comment that one of the markers for a Performance Package vehicle was the 20"wheels with SHO embossed in them. I was under the impression that all the Base SHO's had those?

Hang with me guys, I just want to make sure I'm hunting the right car. I've got around 4600 vehicles in my fleet at work, a large number of them are Eco boost Fords, and I can tell you that even with the synthetic oil the turbo's really cook it. I've seen cars come in for their first oil change at 5000 miles and the oil is pitch black. Pitch black to me=carbon and carbon in the engine=abrasive. Anything I can get that lessens that is a good thing in my view. Clue me in on what items I need to look for to identify a PP SHO, I'm looking to drop the hammer and make a purchase in the near future.

The sho logo wheels where also available as a stand alone option. The biggest indicator is the 3.16 gears and the partial Alcantara steering wheel. Both are PP only.

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As for taller or shorter, bottom line is higher number equals shorter gearing and should also equal quicker acceleration and lower top speed.

 

[6500rpm]

Thanks on the posts, between the RPO code confirmation and the descriptive items it should make searching out what I want a lot easier. I passed on the one with the RPO codes listed. It was an early production 2013, 38K miles, had a 5 grade from the ford inspection process (1 to 5 scale) at the auction, and price was $27,000. Was that a good price for the car listed?? The catch was that it was at the auction and I would have had to agree to the purchase without actually seeing or driving it...that's a hard thing for a Car Tech to do. I can see the warranty records on Ford Oasis and they were good, I was told that the car fax was good also but it had 17 records on it and I never saw it. I'm just trying to get a feel for the market.

 

[sholxgt]

Prices seem to vary quite a bit around the country. Around here that price would be about right provided it's perfect, fully loaded, and is a CPO. Subtract about $1500 if not a CPO and another $1,000 or so if not loaded and perfect.

For what it's worth though, I searched quite a while to find a decent deal because there are so few SHO/MKS with low miles and clean in the used market. A 200 mile search from my address generally only turns up one or two 2013+ PP SHO's that are under $30k.

I "settled" for a loaded 2013 MKS CPO with 27,000 miles and paid $25,300.

 

[Chris Horner]

I thought non-PP tuned cars were the only ones outperforming PP cars due to 1st gear being essentially useless with mad power?

@6500rpm just to really muddy the waters - every once in a while you'll stumble across a Franken-build car (there are threads here on this) where a car has SOME of the indicators of a PP but not all. Mine is one. The factory report lists mine as a 3.16 diff, PP, has the compressor instead of the spare, but no alcantara steering wheel and no extra button to fully defeat stability. It confused the crap out of me when I was shopping. All the mechanical pieces though are there. And I can use the regular TC button to completely disable traction and stability like you should be able to on a PP car. Go figure.

I've driven both and personally like the tighter suspension of the PP car and there's a difference off the line in favor of the 3.16.

My $.02 since you have access to all the records - if you see 3.16 you have a PP car.

 

[SHO T1M3]

I thought non-PP tuned cars were the only ones outperforming PP cars due to 1st gear being essentially useless with mad power?

@6500rpm just to really muddy the waters - every once in a while you'll stumble across a Franken-build car (there are threads here on this) where a car has SOME of the indicators of a PP but not all. Mine is one. The factory report lists mine as a 3.16 diff, PP, has the compressor instead of the spare, but no alcantara steering wheel and no extra button to fully defeat stability. It confused the crap out of me when I was shopping. All the mechanical pieces though are there. And I can use the regular TC button to completely disable traction and stability like you should be able to on a PP car. Go figure.

I've driven both and personally like the tighter suspension of the PP car and there's a difference off the line in favor of the 3.16.

My $.02 since you have access to all the records - if you see 3.16 you have a PP car.

Either your car was in an accident and they replaced the entire steering wheel instead of just the airbag or the Alcantara is worn down to the point that it's not recognizable that it was once there. And there is no "extra" TC button. Those options were not available separately. Here's a pic of the TC button on my '13 PP (the only year the PP was available with Park Assist), my worn Alcantara steering wheel (I got it like that with only 43k miles, I'm at 59k now)


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[Chris Horner]

@SHO T1M3 ok so not an "extra" button but the off button - that is what is missing. If I put on the brakes and hold down the TC button at the top of the center stack all stability and traction systems will fully turn off. Car wasn't in an accident. Even if it was it wouldn't explain the missing button in the console. Here's a link to one of the other threads where something weird like this happened: http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/new-2014-sho-pp-owner.128592/

As you can see on the attached pic, my car is definitely a PP car. Probably a VERY rare occurrence, yet it seems to have happened.

 

[SHO T1M3]

@SHO T1M3 ok so not an "extra" button but the off button - that is what is missing. If I put on the brakes and hold down the TC button at the top of the center stack all stability and traction systems will fully turn off. Car wasn't in an accident. Even if it was it wouldn't explain the missing button in the console. Here's a link to one of the other threads where something weird like this happened: http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/new-2014-sho-pp-owner.128592/

As you can see on the attached pic, my car is definitely a PP car. Probably a VERY rare occurrence, yet it seems to have happened.

Interesting, they must have finished your car on a Friday before vacation! I wonder how many "mistakes" like that were made? Mechanical defects I understand, but missing/incorrect buttons? How did that get by?

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[6500rpm]

If you look at the production date on Chris Horner's car it would have to be a very early production for a 2013. It's a very common thing in my experience as a Tech to have production changes take place at any given time. I can't tell you the number of times I've received incorrect parts from my parts department due to a change that was made and they needed to refer back to the build date, engineering, or original part number to get what I needed. We work closely with both GM and Ford as a fleet/rental company as we buy huge volumes of vehicles and put a lot of miles on them quickly. There are no less than three different processes that we use in two way communication with the manufacturers to identify problems and defects. Quite often we get cars months before the dealerships to allow the manufacturer to identify and correct issues before they go into full production. I don't think Chris's car is really as unusual as one might think.