96 brake upgrade on my 91 ???'s (New Problem)

[gurucomputers]

*** New Problem - See Post #11***

OK, I have done a lot of searching here and I am finding some contradicting info.

Here is what I know:

Need 94/95 knuckles. I have 2 knuckles sitting in my garage that I believe are off of a 94 SHO. I have had them for so long I cant remember. I know for a fact they are off of a SHO but can not remember the year. I do know they look a little different than my 91's. Does any one have a pic of the 94/95 knuckle so I can be sure?

Here are the questions:

I have the rotors, calipers and pads from a 99 SHO. These will work correct?
All that is left to get is the caliper brackets from any Gen III Taurus correct? I am going to the local pull a part tomorrow and do the brackets unbolt from the Gen III knuckles?

Do I have to replace the pinch bolts for the ball joint and strut and replace the axel nut or can I reuse the ones I have?

Should I get new crush washers for the calipers? If so is this an item available at parts store? Autozone does not list it on there web site.

Any other input is greatly appreciated.

 

[TimboSHO]

You need the FN74 brackets from a Gen III (or IV) Taurus. All Gen III SHOs have them, and SOME SLOs have them (Gen III and Gen IV). As long as it has FN74 stamped on it, you will be fine. Be sure to keep all of the bolts attaching it to the knuckle and caliper.

 

[K-Dawg]

There's a picture of the knuckles here: http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/mod...e=article&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&sid=190

Yes, the rotors, calipers, and pads from a 99 SHO are what you need. If you have the calipers, chances are that you also have the brackets. But if you don't have the brackets, they need to be from a Gen 3 SHO. The Gen 3 SLO uses different brackets.

Technically you are supposed to replace the bolts and nuts, but I usually reuse them.

Yes, you can get crush washers at the parts store.

 

[38SHO]

also 2001+ all Taurus bodies use these brakes

they are easily identified by the FN74 cast onto the caliper bracket, and the much bigger rotor... if you are used to looking at Taurus brakes you will be able to tell these apart from the size pretty easily... they are over an inch bigger

also the 4.6 DOHC Continentals use this brake setup

 

[gurucomputers]

Well I have everything I need now. Got the brackets this morning. There were two Gen III SLO's with the FN74 brackets.

Also found a GEN I poilce package and took the grill..

Thanks guys for all your input, it is very appreciated...:thankyou:

 

[K-Dawg]

Gen 3 SLOs don't come from the factory with FN74 brackets...

 

[gurucomputers]

Gen 3 SLOs don't come from the factory with FN74 brackets...

There were about 15 Gen III SLO's and two of them had FN74 and the others were all DN101 I think. The one I took them off of had the 3.0 DOHC Duratec.

It may have been a GEN IV so you may be correct but I did not look that close. My eyes were on the brackets.

 

[TimboSHO]

Gen 3 SLOs don't come from the factory with FN74 brackets...

Some did. I've seen a few in my day. Usually the duratecs. But most Gen III SLOs only had 15" wheels, so they couldn't have FN74s anyways.

 

[ManySHOs]

I'm not positive here but I believe that the caliper bracket bolts from the gen3/4 cars may be longer than the bolts from a 94-95. The mounting ears on the newer aluminum spindles are a bit thicker than their cast iron counterparts. The bottom line is that if you're using 94-95 spindles, you may want to use 94-95 caliper bracket bolts.

Ian

 

[Storm-Chaser]

K-Dawg is correct.


Come-on. Please don’t post if you don’t know the answer. The answer to each and every question brought-up in this thread has been posted numerous times. ****, there’s even a thread dedicated to the 96 Brake Upgrade.

:shakehead

Being that I’m in a yard virtually every day, that cycles-through 150-160 F*** vehicles per month, I can say that I have yet to see a 1996-1999 non-SHO with FN74 caliper brackets, nor a 2000 Gen IV. Given the nearly identical body shell, I suspect the few reported 1996-2000 non-SHO Taurus’s were most likely 2001 or newer Gen IVs. Then again, there is the extremely remote possibility that someone put a brake upgrade on a Gen III SLO . . . .

:laugh_ti:


Gurucomputers – in response to your questions:

• Yes, the parts you list from the 1999 SHO will work.
  
  
• No, caliper brackets from a Gen III non-SHO will not work.
  
  
• Yes, the bracket unbolts from the spindles. The caliper bracket-to-spindle bolts (2) are 15mm; the caliper bracket-to-caliper bolts (aka. slider-pin bolts) (2) are 12mm.
  
  
• You can do anything you want - it's your vehicle; however. The factory Service Manual procedure is to replace the strut pinch bolt, lower control arm ball joint pinch bolt and nut, outer tie rod castle nut and cotter pin, and the axle nut whenever they are removed for any reason.
  
  
• Yes, you should replace the four copper crush washers - otherwise both brakes will develop a leak at the caliper. While they are available at nearly all parts stores, Advanced Auto, Auto Zone, O’Reilly’s (and most other retail-chain auto parts stores) now only carry pre-packaged hardware (usually Dorman products). Both NAPA and your local dealer will carry the correct crush-washers. NAPA is the most cost-effective source. While typically you will almost always pay more at the dealer, there are only two of the correct size crush-washers in the pre-packaged hardware packets - which were $3.99 per pack the last time I checked. There are two F*** part numbers [ 388-949-S2 and EOAZ-2149-B ], costing ~$0.96 each. The NAPA part number is #26982 (Copper gasket 0206, UPC 7-47730-09783-1), and cost $0.62 each when I bought several packages of 10, last year.

OK, I have done a lot of searching here and I am finding some contradicting info.

Here is what I know:

Need 94/95 knuckles. I have 2 knuckles sitting in my garage that I believe are off of a 94 SHO. I have had them for so long I cant remember. I know for a fact they are off of a SHO but can not remember the year. I do know they look a little different than my 91's. Does any one have a pic of the 94/95 knuckle so I can be sure?

Here are the questions:

I have the rotors, calipers and pads from a 99 SHO. These will work correct?
All that is left to get is the caliper brackets from any Gen III Taurus correct? I am going to the local pull a part tomorrow and do the brackets unbolt from the Gen III knuckles?

Do I have to replace the pinch bolts for the ball joint and strut and replace the axel nut or can I reuse the ones I have?

Should I get new crush washers for the calipers? If so is this an item available at parts store? Autozone does not list it on there web site.

Any other input is greatly appreciated.

38SHO – in response to your misinformation:

2001 and up Taurus and Sables use these brakes . . . .

• I would not call them “significantly” larger, and suspect most would have problems differentiating them without the FN74 or DN101 caliper brackets attached. Additionally, they are not “over an inch bigger”. The 1994-95 rotor is 10.9” in diameter.
  
  
• Wrong about the Continental as well - first it is not restricted to Continentals with the 4.6L DOHC engine. Second, different pieces of the “96 Brake Upgrade” are used across different model-years of the Continental.

also 2001+ all Taurus bodies use these brakes

they are easily identified by the FN74 cast onto the caliper bracket, and the much bigger rotor... if you are used to looking at Taurus brakes you will be able to tell these apart from the size pretty easily... they are over an inch bigger

also the 4.6 DOHC Continentals use this brake setup

If you’re using 1994-95 spindles, you have to use 1994-95 caliper bracket bolts.

If you don’t know, look it up. If your too lazy, don’t post and perpetuate bad information.

Here's a link to the 96 upgrade cars and parts list

OK, I have done a lot of searching here and I am finding some contradicting info.

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Any other input is greatly appreciated.

 

[gurucomputers]

New Problem

Well I have finally completed the upgrade but the Banjo fittings on the brake line will not fit the 99 SHO caliper. The Banjo bolt appers to be the right size but the block that it goes through is about 1/16th to wide. There is a flat nub on the caliper that the block rest aginst and that is the problem. I was just going to file that nub down a bit to make it fit but wanted to check here first for any opinions.

 

[K-Dawg]

What kind of brake lines do you have? You shouldn't have any problems.

 

[gurucomputers]

What kind of brake lines do you have? You shouldn't have any problems.

I am going to assume they are the stock lines. They don't appear to be aftermarket as they are rubber. The car is new to me as I picked it up about 2 months ago.

 

[K-Dawg]

Do you have a picture?

 

[gurucomputers]

Problem Solved

OK, Now is your chance; Make fun of me, laugh at me or call me anything you like cause I am a total IDIOT and deserve it

After more investigation I found that I had the calipers on the wrong side. :laugh_ti:

Now it is all buttoned up and just about ready for a test drive...

 

[Eric VerValin]

LoL.. I was going to say, there is really only one way they fit.. have fun on that test drive. Prepare to say WTF! I got brakes now!..

Depending on your pad choice of course.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

No worry - you're not the first, nor will you be the last to try and reverse-install either the calipers or brakes lines.

OK, Now is your chance; Make fun of me, laugh at me or call me anything you like cause I am a total IDIOT and deserve it

After more investigation I found that I had the calipers on the wrong side. :laugh_ti:

Now it is all buttoned up and just about ready for a test drive...