93 Taurus SHO cranks sometimes.

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I went to crank it first an it ran for a few seconds until I tried to take off. Then I couldn't get it to crank again. I noticed to plug in for the mass air flow was busted up pretty bad. Could that be it? It has new fuel system in it also so that's not the problem
 

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Certainly a bad MAF or bad connection to the MAF is problematic. Have you pulled codes from the ECU to confirm that there are no other issues? You have replaced fuel injectors, fuel filter, fuel pump, the gas in the tank, all those things already?
 

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Certainly a bad MAF or bad connection to the MAF is problematic. Have you pulled codes from the ECU to confirm that there are no other issues? You have replaced fuel injectors, fuel filter, fuel pump, the gas in the tank, all those things already?
Yea other than injectors. It's busted where it connects to the air box. I can see the connections inside it. Looks like it was hit pretty hard with something
 

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Hard to tell from typed description, however it should start and run if you unplug the MAF sensor and take it out of the loop making the computer run in a default mode. It won't be optimal but if everything else is good it should start and run with the sensor out of the loop.
 

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Since the MAF will be disconnected, the ECU will not use MAF provided data (rather default settings), hence the MAF is "taken out of the loop".
 

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You had this thing for a while? Just wondering if you know the recent history or if you got it and it was a mess and started trying to troubleshoot blind to get it running. Can you get a pic of the damage to the MAF sensor?
 

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I'm going to buy it. On the top of the connector, where it plugs into the box is cracked pretty bad . I recall seeing a little bit inside the connector
 

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I got the key from the owner and it fired up with no problems. It did have s slight rough idle. I put it in first to see if it would go. I let the clutch out, it hesitated and I pressed the clutch back in and if cut off. I did not stall it out. Then from there it would not crank back up. I only tried to crank it 8 times maybe.
 

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Well it could be a cam sensor going out. When they fail it will start after several attempts. Or a crank sensor which will cut the thing off and not allow it to start or sometimes when they go bad you get it to start and then it can cut off while you are driving down the road. You really need to dig into it to eliminate where the failure is. First start is usually pulling fault codes from the computer. http://web.archive.org/web/20090917070939/http://www.shophoenixproject.com/eec/eec.htm

Busted up sensor will be an issue right out of the gate.
 

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Okay I bought the car. It started right up. Ran fine for a minute I was barely in the throttle. Then I gave it more throttle and it died out but didn't cut off. ThEn it ran good for a minute. I just started it and I would not stay running unless I gave it throttle. Rough idle. Was skipping when I gave it throttle. I did crank back up several times for me. Now after sitting a few minutes it will not fire back up. I have a picture of that busted sensor
 

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Ah yes, good ole MAF ... Never fails to disappoint. So if you disconnect the connector, how does the car respond?
 

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So now you know the MAF is bad. If it were working, you would have noticed a difference. Time for a new MAF.
 

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First, it sounds like it "cranks" all the time, the starter works. The engine only starts when it's been sitting.

So now you know the MAF is bad. If it were working, you would have noticed a difference. Time for a new MAF.

It didn't start with and it didn't start without. That rather means the MAF is not an issue, it's been eliminated. It's likely more a red herring that people are responding to because it was mentioned. If the internal components are fine and just the plastic housing is damaged, it can probably be sealed up with RTV and used.

Cam and crank position sensors don't really care how much gas you give the engine. The previous owner's suggestion of these is also likely a wild guess, and probably an attempt to sell the car as a "just needs a sensor". That's almost a scam pattern I've seen: "just needs an oxygen sensor" = "I'm not telling you the $1600 quote I got for a new mani-cat needed to make the car pass emissions".

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The first thing is to check for common problems. Oil in the spark plug wells is very common in poorly maintained cars, and hot oil seems to short out the spark even better. Do the maintenance of pulling all the plug wires and see if they are wet with oil. Then clean out the spark plug wells, and pull the all spark plugs and inspect. Make sure they are all the same brand (preferably AGSP32FM; AGSP32PP = they're probably old), the same color on the ignition end, platinum buttons on electrode not missing, and gapped uniformly at .44. Then do a compression test on all the cylinders, and see if you didn't get sold something with bad valves, or a blown out ring (which only runs when sealed with fresh oil from leaking valve stem seals).

We need to ensure engine-managed spark is OK, and the next is the spark plug wires. Test with a multimeter, they should all check at 8-16 kOhms. And with that, reassemble and find a buddy. A $10 ignition tester, that you hold next to the wire while an assistant turns the key on your non-starting car, will let you see that the computer makes spark through the DIS and coil for all cylinders.

Then we must investigate likely issues that would cause this particular symptom. My opening suspicion is that there is a fuel delivery problem, especially that the car won't stay running, giving it gas makes it stall. A fuel pressure gauge on the rail, seeing that it maintains 40psi, will let you know if you can eliminate the fuel pump, filter, regulator, etc. as potential problems. Replace the fuel filter anyway as it's likely never been done. Air filter too.

So if we are sparking at the right time, and always have correct fuel pressure, it's down to mixture. There are lots of things to go wrong. EGR valve stuck open, idle air control valve sticky, leaky or bad injector, vacuum leak. Bad O2 sensors + bad MAF would mean the computer doesn't have enough sensor input to regulate fuel. Throw in a throttle position sensor with dead spots and the computer would have no idea how much fuel to deliver.
 
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