4 codes. How screwed am I?

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P0011 - Intake Camshaft Position Timing - Over-Advanced (Bank 1)
P0018 - Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation - Bank 2 Sensor A
P0021 - Intake Camshaft Position Timing - Over-Advanced (Bank 2)
P052A - Cold Start Intake (A) Camshaft Position Timing Over-Advanced (Bank 1)


Noise would be my concern, it runs poor, and the fact that both banks are effected. It's not going to be two sensors failing at the same time. I'm fairly certain that the cam phasers are spring loaded to base timing and oil pressure advanced. The code is telling you that the cam timing is advanced on both banks, even at start up. You shouldn''t start advancing valve timing until you're at higher rpm's. When you start looking at everything as a whole it looks like a fair chance that the chain slipped. In my mind, low oil pressure would set under advanced dtc's and I can't for the life of me think of anything that would keep both phasers advanced, especially at start up.I'd want to physically verify base cam/crank timing is correct. When you said the noise went away, did it still continue to run poorly? (mechanical failures don't fix themselves) The only other thing I could think to do would be to unplug the solenoids, clear the dtc's and start it. With the solenoids unplugged it should be stuck at base timing so the over advanced codes shouldn't set. If they do, it has to be mechanical. If you think the chain slipped, I'd be weary about running it any more than I had to.
 

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I haven’t ran it since the codes popped up last week other than to record those vids, nor do I plan to. I have it scheduled to go to a local Ford dealership Tuesday and I’ll be driving the 2 miles to take it in there but that’s it.
 

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OMG! That sounds like gravel in a blender! I wouldn't even start it to drive it on a trailer
Something has to be messed up in the timing set. Broken guide? whacked tensioner? Broken water pump , coolant in oil? Replace it all while your in there
 

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I had it towed.

UPDATE:
They say the front turbo went. And it stretched the timing chain and yada yada yada.... It needs a new engine. Which through them was $3875. So I went to talk to a salesman to see if I could get out of it and into something else.
When I took the car to them a few months ago I was looking at a new truck and they offered 9k trade in. So I'm thinking if it was ok the car would be roughly 8.5k now. Minus 4k for the engine we're at like 3-4k value. I owe 10.5k on the car. So I needed something with 7k equity available.
They had a 2018 Mustang there at 23k and a 31k sticker and 17 miles on it. The car was raffled off but the winner took the cash. Thus why it's so far under sticker. So That might work to make up the equity.
The manager looked at my car and is now offering a 1000. Sent him back and he came back at 2000. The reason is because he says a used engine cost 8k. Amazing how the price of the engine went up 5k in an hour. I called around and found a used engine for 3k with 61k miles and a limited 5 year warranty. I gave him the info and left for work.
They're going to do some research and call me back.
 

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Is that a GT Mustang? I just looked around, and there were no $31K GT's around me - maybe $37K...
 

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is the used engine from 2010-12 or 2013+? 5 yr warranty is a heckuva deal.
 

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A whole engine because of a bad timing chain?? Unless it bent a valve, what about just replacing the timing components. :shrug:
 

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A whole engine because of a bad timing chain?? Unless it bent a valve, what about just replacing the timing components. :shrug:

I have no clue. Just going by what I’m told. I’m going to get a second opinion if I can’t work out a deal with them.
 

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I'm not holding my breathe on the Mustang. They are offering me a $1000 for my Sho.
The service manager said an engine was $4000 not counting labor. But when I talked to sales the engine price included to $8000 somehow and that they are impossible to find. 5 minutes on google determined that was a lie. I found a few around $3000.
 

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