3.4 V8

[naval-avi8or]

I'm looking for some good and bad input about the GEN3 vs GEN2 motor besides the gen3's cam problem.

Could someone please give me the overall deminsons of the GEN3 motor and tranny. What type/model the GEN3 (ATX)is using.

I have a 94ATX and I've been playing around with the idea of trying to put a 3.4 V8 into it.

I also have a spare 3.2L that I could build up as well and I would like to hear what other SHOFORUM members would suggest.

Thanks in advance for any input.
Curtis

 

[SCOTTDW]

Curtis, you might want to check out the V8SHO.com site. I do not know the gross dimensions of the V8SHO engine...probably some of the boys do. If you could figure out how to install a GE turbofan in your SHO you would be set. Oh, yeah...ever ingest a flock of seagulls in one or both engines?

Scott
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<small>[ August 17, 2002, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: SCOTTDW ]</small>

 

[pbshow]

Hey Curtis!
So that's where you have been keeping yourself. How is my old 3.2L doing these days?

Paul beer

 

[naval-avi8or]

pbshow:
Hey Curtis!
So that's where you have been keeping yourself. How is my old 3.2L doing these days?

Paul beer

Well as you can see I'm debating on what to do. The motor is completly apart. The crank needs repaired and the connecting rod replaced.

I finished up at San Diego in June and moved across to Jax, Fl on the first week of July.

SCOTTDW~ Oh, yeah...ever ingest a flock of seagulls in one or both engines? Nope and hope I never do.

 

[rockfordsho]

SCOTTDW:
Oh, yeah...ever ingest a flock of seagulls in one or both engines?

the 80's band?

just for ***** and giggles has anyone ever thought about putting a 3.2 in a gen3?why someone would do this i dont know

 

[XLSuruaT]

I dont even think a duratec would fit in a gen2 bay. If you have ever seen the v8 bay it is packed. The v8 uses AX4N transmission.

 

[naval-avi8or]

SE 2 SHOSE:
I dont even think a duratec would fit in a gen2 bay. If you have ever seen the v8 bay it is packed. The v8 uses AX4N transmission.

So does the V6. That's also why I think it would fit. The Gen2 bay is packed but there is still a little room. I would also think that the Gen2 has a overall bigger engine bay because it looks bigger and boxier, but I don't know the actual deminsions of either.

Are there any benifits to the V8. I don't see that there is any Horse Power gain it just looks meaner.

 

[SCOTTDW]

Naval, Curtis,.. If you take a bird strike in the engine..what do you guys do? Yea, yea this is not V8SHO stuff....but I love this fly boy stuff.

Scott
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[naval-avi8or]

Shut the engine down. Flys fine on one motor.

 

[Shoman594]

Curtis,

One thing too consider is... where would you get a 3.4 V8 ??? More inportant is do you have the $$$

But i think it is a good idea... the sound out of that gen II would be unheardof wink

 

[SHOZ123]

The V8 is ~29" from the outside of PS pully to outside of the TB and 23" from head to head. It is not as tall as the V6.

 

[XLSuruaT]

naval-avi8or:
So does the V6. That's also why I think it would fit. The Gen2 bay is packed but there is still a little room.
Are there any benifits to the V8. I don't see that there is any Horse Power gain it just looks meaner.

Really? I always thought that the v6 sho's used beefed up AXODE's.
About the v8, it will have more torque off the line compared to the v6. But with the number of problems I have heard with the v8, I myself would stay clear of this type of swap. Also, another thing to keep in mind is that the v8 uses OBDII and the v6's are on OBDI for their electrnic systems.
However, it would be badazz to see a gen2 with a v8, so if you have the desire/dedication, time, and capital, then go for it.

 

[naval-avi8or]

SCOTTDW:
Here is an idea for you Naval...bring the bird stalled engine back to idle-detent and then advance to AB. Do S series have AB?...blows the birds right out but requires a bunch of patience. Do the same for the other engine. REALLY requires patience! Hook-to-steel is a function of G-force. In our best jets keep your hands off and coming off the carrier is.a complete computer launch. Best measure of a pilot IMHO is when one is burnin and one is churnin and he has to come aboard. Hook-to-steel is a no-brainer.
(sorry I am once again rambling....V8SHOs still kick!)

Please explain your back ground. It will help me when I explain what a real NAVAL-AVIATOR (pilot)is. BTW you don't flar to land and squat to *** .

 

[SCOTTDW]

I have about 2000 hours PIC. Mostly in recips.... But I read alot! I spent a good many years in the Mississippi Delta as a crop duster and CFI. How many hours PIC you got? I flare to land and I know exactly what a Naval Aviator is and they have my deepest respect because not even the Israel guys bring it aboard...geez, not even the Air Force attempts a landing on a heaving deck! I wish you Godspeed in each and every mission. You jet jocks kick and we are going to really need you in the months to come.

Scott
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[naval-avi8or]

SCOTTDW:
How many hours PIC you got?
Scott
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I have 500 in the NAVY(450 jet/50 turboprop) and 225 in bug smashers. The S-3 doesn't have AB except when its on fire. We also have to not only fly it off the deck but fly it onto the deck non of that computerized SH!@ the F-18's have were the plane flys and monkey boy monitors.

 

[RStalveyARFF]

My dad worked awhile ago at the GE plant in Lynn, where they manufacture alot of the GE jet engines you see on the commercial jets. He told me they used to fire up the engine when they were designing them, and throw seagulls into them to see what happened.... pretty funny when testing, would suck if you were actually flying the plane.

 

[naval-avi8or]

SHO91MTX:
My dad worked awhile ago at the GE plant in Lynn, where they manufacture alot of the GE jet engines you see on the commercial jets. He told me they used to fire up the engine when they were designing them, and throw seagulls into them to see what happened.... pretty funny when testing, would suck if you were actually flying the plane.

Per FAA the engine casing must be able to contain the blades after catastrophic damage due to bird ingestion. But FAA has no athority on military aircraft.

 

[SHOZ123]

>But with the number of problems I have heard >with the v8,

Actually the V8 has few problems and the ones it does have are easily fixable.

 

[SCOTTDW]

SHO91MTX....my brother also works for GE in Dallas as a liason to Southwest Airlines. Here is a true story and this time the engines played no part. A Southwest 737 encountered some geese at altitude and a few blasted through the radome (front of the jet) and the bird sprayed all over the cockpit. In the long run of this story evidence had to be shown that what came thru the radome was some type of migratory fowl. No one really bought the story...my brother (that rascal) actually sent the heads of the dead geese with entry pictures of the shattered radome and a splattered cockpit to the FAA.. (True story from about 12 years ago). A 500 mph goose will ruin your whole day and a few actually made it into the cockpit.

Scott
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[RStalveyARFF]

hot damn. The radome is the "nose cone" of the jet, correct?

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