The HP Tuners Misconception: Control vs Abstraction on the EcoBoost SHO

802SHO said:

I have a feeling there’s going to be a turning point. I hope for all 10-19 EcoBoost SHO’s…that HPTuners has more defined in the OS’s and with the more control and with the higher quality data capturing. At least I think 10-12 OS will.

But are 13+ folks not reading this stuff? Being technical is new for me but is this not a technical forum much? Because we briefly discussed it’s already capable in a non PP ‘16 SHO that we know of…to increase duty cycle of the RDU and cut faster 60’ times and ET. Or is that already available in SCT?

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802SHO said:

Lashing out for no reason? When was that? Sleeper isn’t right about fuel. It escapes me what you’re right about. It’s clear you are wholeheartedly GearHead. Other than that….

The torque limiters are my problem. We’re talking about HPTuners? The only helpful SCT tuner has been Brad (AJPTurbo). Sleeper didn’t help with his gap in understanding. Matt wasn’t helpful in fact his nonsense has the community thinking cams are the bottleneck. Oh and hey try some ULV bc..maybe it’s fluid and not my calibration? Or I’ll admit I’m not sure exactly where ULV originated from but what a horrible idea.

If lashing out was about methonal …that’s correcting misinformation but I guess you call that lashing out.

Uh so yeah very specifically torque limiters are my problem. Hence why HP engineering was requested. Which lo and behold there was an obvious limiter. Now the indicated engine torque tables were the limiter as I hit 1.92 load, torque source flipped to Ind.engine.tq limit the instant I was 1.90+.

What’s becoming clear is HP isn’t as defined as SCT however that’s currently changing. Again fuel definitions aren’t the limiting factor here. Sleepers “cut and dry” video is a masterclass in misinformation.

Maybe you don’t realize forum theory halts progression. By outsourcing thinking to the forum you’ll be stuck in old beliefs, beliefs that ppl are so emotionally attached to they’d argue against physics and engineering.

The main reason I’m actually continuing to improve is bc I test a lot and I take the results from objective reality and I use that to test better, smarter and solve problems. I’m not stuck to any one theory or belief.

I didn’t know how to do electrical diagnostics and most of what I did over the winter to get my car running good again bc I found the answers here. Normally I’d do YT or Google searches and instead I used an AI. Which turned out to help me a lot. Maybe bc I already knew a lot.

My belief system is reality. What I already know from my experience, plus what I’ve learned + what I found doing tests.

If I had listened to sleeper about what he said then HPtuners is off the table. Right? It’s untunable. Doesn’t have the fuel definitions and scalars needed to scale the XDI60hpfp and xdi2000cc injectors. Which didn’t survive contact with reality.

If I had listened to Sleeper or Matt I’d be stuck. Boxed in.

Instead I’m pushing 93 octane to absurdity data points. 1.92 load with PCM intervention and that’s not even an optimized air:fuel ratio. I’m actively a huge part of updating HPTuners 10-12 OS definitions working with both my tuner and HP Engineering, to the point the engineer is like a Teammate. He said this today, from Johnny P, “Well I know there is more in there. I have a lot ready to go but I’m slowly adding more to the definition. Just waiting on these limiters to get fixed.”

Sleeper and Matt look like roadblocks to me. And big ones.

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Jordan_R said:

Realistically you could just put 12v to it and it would engage fully. It's just an electromagnet in the rdu housing but the problem is the clutches will still slip. Mine burned up. When I send you my locked housing it'll be the best you can get as far as engagement. It'll be a true 4wd with power going to the rear end 100% of the time. Just need to get under the car and pull it.

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DadMobile said:

You never got your car properly running… you bought a car somebody else built and ran slower times than the builder.

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DadMobile said:

Neither Sleeper nor Matt are tuning your car, how can they be a roadblock? It seems like you are the roadblock at this point.

If you knew what the problem was, you would have fixed it already. You’re paying a tuner because you don’t know -not because you do know. The tuner you have doesn’t know either that’s why he contacted HPT. HPT doesn’t know because they have not reverse engineered the PCM yet. All of you seem to be speculating because you don’t know the answer!

You let a bunch of people that don’t know the answer gas you up into chasing ghosts. Then you started using CHATgpt after you burned many bridges. You even developed a relationship with the writing bot and gave it a human name, yikes You talk to it like it’s your best friend, weird.

People do have the answers and some have been handed to you. I’m sure your tuner would love to talk to Matt and share data….

You got so excited thinking you finally found the issue and unblocked me but your problem still persists, it cracks me up. If y’all were right wouldn’t your car be running properly??? It’s logic even a crackhead could follow. Then again, a smart crackhead wouldn’t sell crack out of their workplace for obvious reasons so maybe logic and common sense escapes you.

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