Gen 3. the SHO must go on.

[Philthy]

Over this weekend I have taken it upon myself to rid myself of the Gen 3 littering up my back yard. The things I plan to pull before it meets the giant crusher in the sky are:

Rims
Front seats
Front brakes
Subframe & a-arms
Steering

Is there anything else worth keeping? It's got those crazy electric struts. Should I keep those? Anything else?

 

[nik97]

Keep those struts. If I had a '99 I would want to swap out my non sarc struts for those. Obviously they would be inactive but they are firm in default. What's the powertain status?

 

[Philthy]

Unknown. One of the plastic engine covers its sitting on the passenger floorboard. My buddy picked it up when he was crushing cars and brought it over 6 months ago.

I can only imagine the reason it sat out behind a shop for 3 years was a spun cam or a fragged transmission. but honestly, I don't know.

 

[SHOZ123]

The idler pulleys will swap over to the V6 motors.

Keep the ABS module (please!) and IRMC box. The rear calipers, hubs and knuckles swap over to G2.

I should add the dash football radio control and the rear radio/amp/cd player are worth taking out too if you are looking to sell the parts.

 

[Shoaz]

If you're keeping the front subframe and rack, keep the front knuckles, too. That'll be a good GenIII subframe kit for somebody with an earlier Gen.

And we should ask Rav if he needs anything. Anybody else local with a GenIII?

 

[ChuckD]

Is it a cam failure? Whats its overall condition? I might have an intrest in the whole car and save you some time.

 

[Philthy]

Keep the ABS module (please!) and IRMC box. The rear calipers, hubs and knuckles swap over to G2.

I should add the dash football radio control and the rear radio/amp/cd player
are worth taking out too if you are looking to sell the parts.

Cool. I'll pull those if someone will just tell me where or what they are. I looked under the hood and it looks nothing like a Gen2. Therefore I got confused...and just a little bit scared.

Are the rear calipers, hubs and knuckles worth keeping for my 92? I thought I already had the good rear brakes?

Also, does the entire dash have to come out to get the radio unit out? That doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

Is it a cam failure? Whats its overall condition? I might have an intrest in the whole car and save you some time.

I'm not sure. I've never seen the car run. My buddy picked it up from a shop where it had sat out back for 3 years. I've got no key, title or history, so it has to go to the crusher. Also, it's not in particularly good shape. Mindy, who apparently worked at Olive Garden and several other restaurants seemed to spend more money at strip clubs, Starbucks and bars than on the car. She did have an almost full Danny's Family Carwash card though...from 2004.

 

[SHOZ123]

The football in the dash comes out with the typical Ford radio removal too. The actual radio, amp and CD player are in the trunk on the drivers side fender behind the carpet.

ABS is under the battery.

 

[nik97]

fun.



I'm not sure. I've never seen the car run. My buddy picked it up from a shop where it had sat out back for 3 years. I've got no key, title or history, so it has to go to the crusher. Also, it's not in particularly good shape. Mindy, who apparently worked at Olive Garden and several other restaurants seemed to spend more money at strip clubs, Starbucks and bars than on the car. She did have an almost full Danny's Family Carwash card though...from 2004.

Yank the intake and take pic of it. Pull the valve cover and take a pic of them. Look at the cams; If they are spun, post the pics on ebay and tear down the motor for scrap aluminum(may hit ~80 cent/lb in a couple months). If not, look it over, weld them ***** and sell the entire motor or do something sweet with it(like stuff it into a miata).

What wheels are on it?

 

[Philthy]

The football in the dash comes out with the typical Ford radio removal too. The actual radio, amp and CD player are in the trunk on the drivers side fender behind the carpet.

ABS is under the battery.

This radio removal tool?

Nik, it's got stock wheels and I think I'll just drop the motor out with the subframe. Not for the Miata though. I'm picking up a 1.8 that a guy started to turbo today and if it ever does get a V8, it will be a LS series. Zoom zoom!

 

[SHOZ123]

No this type

 

[JEM]

First off, make sure to keep EVERYTHING associated with the front subframe and suspension. That includes the power steering rack and all its plumbing, the intermediate shaft that goes up to the steering column, both halves of the rubber boot where the rack input-shaft housing goes into the car, etc.

Since the powertrain pretty much comes out with the subframe, if I were a reasonable day's drive from you I'd at least give you something for it just to have some core bits to play around with.

 

[nik97]

This radio removal tool?

Nik, it's got stock wheels and I think I'll just drop the motor out with the subframe. Not for the Miata though. I'm picking up a 1.8 that a guy started to turbo today and if it ever does get a V8, it will be a LS series. Zoom zoom!

True. Better stuff it in a Samurai.

 

[Off Road SHO]

Troy, I have those U-shaped radio removal clips. Well, I also have the other, more fun type. Let me know and I can run them over to you.

Tom

 

[mx3sho]

Nik, it's got stock wheels and I think I'll just drop the motor out with the subframe. Not for the Miata though. I'm picking up a 1.8 that a guy started to turbo today and if it ever does get a V8, it will be a LS series. Zoom zoom!

thats rediculas theres no Zoom Zoom in a LS V8 silly push rods don't like high revs that the miata deserves I would but the LS in the susuki and use the sho in the miata just saying if you didn't have the turbo motor.

 

[JEM]

thats rediculas theres no Zoom Zoom in a LS V8 silly push rods don't like high revs that the miata deserves I would but the LS in the susuki and use the sho in the miata just saying if you didn't have the turbo motor.

Someone please pass me the cluebat.

As someone who's spent a fair amount of time chasing Monster Miatas around on local tracks, I can promise you that Miatas work just fine with pushrod motors.

You can get plenty of RPM out of an LS1/LS2/LS3 to be lots of fun, and they're nice and light (~460lb fully dressed, which is pretty much the same as an iron SHO V6.)

 

[mx3sho]

yeah yeah yeah i've herad all the perks of ls1 and so on an so forth there light cheep easy to mod. But when it all comes down to it you can make any motor fast and fun just depends what you like. I have always had a predgugest(sp) against gm products. I have always liked high reving invavtive motors i guess it comes from my love of formula one. I'm not ignorint just oppinionated.

 

[JEM]

you can make any motor fast and fun just depends what you like.

Can you?

Case in point - the SHO V8.

The displacement is absurdly small relative to its external package size and its output as installed by Ford is underwhelming. The later Volvo derivative got an extra liter of displacement, 80 more HP, and a VVT-fattened torque curve out of the same bore centers, same stroke, same deck height.

There's no real aftermarket support, no cams, no significant breathing aids unless you can (a) accommodate the bulk, complexity, and sound effects of a blower or (b) pay for the development of cams, head gaskets, etc. yourself.

If you wanted to build a decently healthy NA SHO V8 you'd better bring a bankroll that'd park a couple nice used cars, even a pretty decent new one, in your driveway. I still think it'd be possible to bore and sleeve one to the 4 liter Duratec V6 bore, but you'd have to deal with head gaskets and cams and the other airflow requirements of feeding and emptying 20% more displacement.

A nice used '05 Jag S-type R just went for $15K on eBay, you would have to have a lot of cooperative industry contacts to end up with a 300HP NA SHO V8 (just the engine) for that kind of money.

 

[Philthy]

Tom, thanks but AutoZone sells those clippy things for $6. I'll just go grab a set.

Also, all I got pulled over the weekend was the front seats. Blah, I've got another 3 day weekend this week, so next week it goes.

JEM, I'm in Glendale, home of the NFC Champion Arizona Cardinals! I'll PM you.

MX3, how can you not like small blocks? I'm not a "fan" of GM, except their trucks, either, but the small block V8 is where it's at.

Oh, and V8s in Samurais suck. The radiator moves outside the grill, the gas milage tanks and I break enough axles, u-joints, driveshafts, third members, ring and pinions, transfercases, frame mounts, etc. wth 65HP. Imagine the carnage with 305HP.

 

[ChuckD]

I can swing by and give you a hand since your right down the road from me.