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If they just do a visual, you won't have a problem with the catless.

Sorry John, you are mistaken.;)
A visual means just that. You look over the car for the proper emission devices to be present and operational for that year make and model.

Example: cats, egr, pcv, etc...:angelnot:
 

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Sorry John, you are mistaken.;)
A visual means just that. You look over the car for the proper emission devices to be present and operational for that year make and model.

Example: cats, egr, pcv, etc...:angelnot:

Brian, I hope you read this and respond so I don't look like an idiot. If you remeber, my catless Y pipe LOOKS like it has cats on it. The one me and you spent HOURS trying to get to seal with no leaks. So therefor my y pipe passes VISUAL inspection without a problem. I bought mine from RCM automotive and am not sure of the brand. It is a straight pipe with cat covers welded over the pipe to make it appear as if they are there.

So to rehap, mine looks like it has cats on it, but is really just a catless y pipe with cat covers welded on it. If you could get this kind, it would pass a visual inspection. I guess I didn't specify IF it looks like it is there.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention big Brian:salute:
 

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Brian, I hope you read this and respond so I don't look like an idiot. If you remeber, my catless Y pipe LOOKS like it has cats on it. The one me and you spent HOURS trying to get to seal with no leaks. So therefor my y pipe passes VISUAL inspection without a problem. I bought mine from RCM automotive and am not sure of the brand. It is a straight pipe with cat covers welded over the pipe to make it appear as if they are there.

So to rehap, mine looks like it has cats on it, but is really just a catless y pipe with cat covers welded on it. If you could get this kind, it would pass a visual inspection. I guess I didn't specify IF it looks like it is there.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention big Brian:salute:

Gotcha. I was just a general statement. That dosen't mean there aren't ways "around" the man.:p
 

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You PA boys and your rasp. Don't you guys call it the "sheep"? . . . "BAAH-AH!" ;-)

Just getting a Tweecer and a Y-Pipe could probably net you around 20-25 horsepower, and for less than $1000. Of course, you'd have to learn how to tune it or get it tuned, but Tweecers really are sweet. And naturally, the Zex kit will bump you straight into STi and EVO territory for about the same after precautionary mods.
 

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with a mtx what kind of things would you be able to mod with a tweecer? not trying to mess with timing or anything.
 

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Just about anything you want... If you're not going to mess with timing, you're really missing out. The stock timing curve is horrible.
 

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There's not much point in it. I wouldn't use one to tune anything personally.
 

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could we use an safcII to tune a stock sho?


That is originally what I had on my turbo SHO. From what I saw, it was very easy to tune. You could also make adjustments while you were driving which was very convieniant.
 
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That is originally what I had on my turbo SHO. From what I saw, it was very easy to tune. You could also make adjustments while you were driving which was very convieniant. (edited out)
The problem with that... and especially making adjustments while driving, the computer can't account for that and it will eventually try to relearn itself back to what you tried tuning away from :)
 
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The problem with that... and especially making adjustments while driving, the computer can't account for that and it will eventually try to relearn itself back to what you tried tuning away from :)

not according to ashley in nc.....they have been tuning all of there turbo sho's with an safc2 and have had great success and no issues with it relearning the old setup...some people are just stuck in the tweecer rut it sounds like!
 

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hey man i respect them down there for going outside the box and building a three turbo shos in the 400hp range......:woo-hoo::woo-hoo:
 

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I wouldn't recommend it. There is a reason why the TwEECer is the way to go for the SHO right now. It takes some learning, but you have to account for what the computer is doing.

You can do it, but I wouldn't recomment it. For a non-boosted car, it would be absolutely pointless.

hey man i respect them down there for going outside the box and building a three turbo shos in the 400hp range......:woo-hoo::woo-hoo:

That is FAR from outside the box.
 
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I wouldn't recommend it. There is a reason why the TwEECer is the way to go for the SHO right now. It takes some learning, but you have to account for what the computer is doing.

Yes, the tweecer is used, and many have had success with it, but I don't think it's the only way to go. Like randysho said, there have been those to have success with the safcII, and not had any problems with the computer going back to the original settings.

I'm sure there was a time when rubber tires came out, that those using wagon wheels thought they were the only proven way to go too.........
 

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alright. looks like over the spring and summer im slowly going to build it up.

first thing - shosource high-flow y-pipe - catted
next - UDP
then - intake and BBB's
down a little more - 155lph fuel pump with a zex kit.

hopefully i wont be pushing the engine too hard...
 

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I wouldn't recommend it. There is a reason why the TwEECer is the way to go for the SHO right now. It takes some learning, but you have to account for what the computer is doing.

Yes, the tweecer is used, and many have had success with it, but I don't think it's the only way to go. Like randysho said, there have been those to have success with the safcII, and not had any problems with the computer going back to the original settings.

I'm sure there was a time when rubber tires came out, that those using wagon wheels thought they were the only proven way to go too.........
It fools the computer. It is not the correct way to tune it. If that's the way you want to go, so be it. One guy has already toasted his motor with it and Ashley's "tuning". It's a band-aid.

I don't understand why someone would go through the trouble of boosting a car and then use not properly tune the car. I'm sure it's too complicated for most, but it is WELL worth your time to learn it.

It's not a rubber tire versus a wagon wheel... There is a correct way and and a band-aid. You are suggesting the band-aid. Also as a bad analogy... The tire won over the wagon wheel.

You can't convince a ture car enthusiast that that method is the way to go. The computer absolutely cannot calculate load correctly. My guess this is why the other motor blew.

It's not my motor, so use the apexi to your hearts desire. I'd rather not half-ass it and take some time to learn how to do it right.

There really is no arguement on the right way.
 
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