AL. sfb's + stock sfb's

[MD Ever]

Unless you track your car there is no reason to go with an alsfb. Especially living in a rustbelt state with crappy roads. It puts a lot of stress on the sub-frame. Ive seen more then one sub-frame break at a rear mounting point around here and adding the alsfbs could speed up that process. Why take the chance.

3) ...the Gen 3 bushing is directional, it has voids designed into it to allow more fore-aft motion than side-side. I believe that using four Gen 3 bushings probably allows the subframe to move around more than the two-and-two configuration Ford used.

I don't think this is true. If you have seen the gen III bushings they are made of a completely different material that is very hard when compared to the original bushings. The reason Ford used two different types was two fold. 1st, they wanted to tighten the suspension without completely sacrificing ride quality. 2nd, and most important, the gen III bushing cost significantly more money to them then the standard rubber one.

 

[Racer X]

Unless you track your car there is no reason to go with an alsfb. Especially living in a rustbelt state with crappy roads. It puts a lot of stress on the sub-frame. Ive seen more then one sub-frame break at a rear mounting point around here and adding the alsfbs could speed up that process. Why take the chance.



I don't think this is true. If you have seen the gen III bushings they are made of a completely different material that is very hard when compared to the original bushings. The reason Ford used two different types was two fold. 1st, they wanted to tighten the suspension without completely sacrificing ride quality. 2nd, and most important, the gen III bushing cost significantly more money to them then the standard rubber one.

I think you forgot to mention the part about that whole first paragraph being an opinion.

I've had mine in for over 3 years now, and anyone who knows me knows that I do NOT drive slow, nor am I easy on my car. I've (a) yet to break or crack the subframe, and (b), I've never had a passenger, SHO or otherwise, complain about the ride being too harsh, including with the recent rim and tire upgrade, on eibachs and sensatracs, with re-enforced mounts all around.

Some people like soft and cushy, and some like it hard and abrasive. The setup I have is somewhere 3/5th to the hard end. Without the reenforced MM's, you'll be in the middle of that spectrum.

 

[93rev2sev]

Personal opinions:

1) Don't run a solid SFB at one end and a flexible one at the other, you're just asking for either wear or breakage at the solid-bushing end.

2) Gen 3 Tauruses did not use the so-called 'Gen 3' bushing in all four positions - they used the four-stud bushing (used in all four positions on the early Gen 1 cars) in front and the 'Gen 3' bushing in back. I think there's a reason for this...

3) ...the Gen 3 bushing is directional, it has voids designed into it to allow more fore-aft motion than side-side. I believe that using four Gen 3 bushings probably allows the subframe to move around more than the two-and-two configuration Ford used.

My Gen 3 subframe conversion is going in with the Ford configuration - a pair of my NOS blue four-stud police bushings in front and the Gen 3 bushings in back. We'll see how it works.

As for aluminum SFBs and ride quality - we've all been down the slippery slope. We put in the springs and shocks, and we notice a little difference. Then we do the SFBs and we notice it's a little worse but we get used to it. Then we put on 17in wheels and notice it's a little worse but we get used to it. Then one day we get in the car after driving something else and suddenly realize "This thing rides like sh*t".

Truth.

 

[SHOKING91]

As for aluminum SFBs and ride quality - we've all been down the slippery slope. We put in the springs and shocks, and we notice a little difference. Then we do the SFBs and we notice it's a little worse but we get used to it. Then we put on 17in wheels and notice it's a little worse but we get used to it. Then one day we get in the car after driving something else and suddenly realize "This thing rides like sh*t".

lolololol

 

[JustinSane]

Aluminum SFB are fine for daily use, i have them in both my cars, the 95 ATX you cant even tell they are there its still a smooth and soft ride, now on bandito he has them and reinforced motor mounts and every other chassis do hicky that makes the car stiff and handle better, on him i def notice more vibrations and other stuff. again its a trade off , I even ride alot of the time with my konis set to firm. but when i go into a 25 MPH turn at 70 and he dont even make a squeel, then its all worth it to me. speaking of trade offs i think my left leg is a half inch thicker then my right from driving with this new stage 3 clutch for 2 days ! i drove big rigs with easier to push in clutches, but it def dont slip so again its a trade off.

 

[MD Ever]

I think you forgot to mention the part about that whole first paragraph being an opinion.

I've had mine in for over 3 years now, and anyone who knows me knows that I do NOT drive slow, nor am I easy on my car. I've (a) yet to break or crack the subframe, and (b), I've never had a passenger, SHO or otherwise, complain about the ride being too harsh, including with the recent rim and tire upgrade, on eibachs and sensatracs, with re-enforced mounts all around.

Some people like soft and cushy, and some like it hard and abrasive. The setup I have is somewhere 3/5th to the hard end. Without the reenforced MM's, you'll be in the middle of that spectrum.

Actually, I have recently been in a car that had the alsfbs and I couldn't tell the difference in NVH between that car and mine. I don't think comfort is an issue with them but it is just a fact that the alsfb will put more of a stress on the mounting points of the subframe. There is no doubt that they improve steering response/feel and there is the added benefit that they will not wear out. All I was saying is that unless there is a specific reason for them the gen III bushings are a good compromise, especially in a rustbelt area. Why take a chance? That was my rational anyway.

 

[Power Surge]

Actually, I have recently been in a car that had the alsfbs and I couldn't tell the difference in NVH between that car and mine. I don't think comfort is an issue with them but it is just a fact that the alsfb will put more of a stress on the mounting points of the subframe. There is no doubt that they improve steering response/feel and there is the added benefit that they will not wear out. All I was saying is that unless there is a specific reason for them the gen III bushings are a good compromise, especially in a rustbelt area. Why take a chance? That was my rational anyway.

If your subframe is so weak that a little extra stress from ALSBs makes it break, then it's better if it breaks sooner than later. It was gonna break anyway if it's that weak.

Plus, I think there's MORE stress with rubber mounts than ALSBs, because you have the "whip" action of the subframe moving side to side and front to back with the rubber bushings.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[K-Dawg]

I have the Aluminum bushings and SHONUT Extreme motor mounts. It's obnoxious, IMO. I see no benefit in being bothered by loud noise and vibrations if I don't have to be. I'm going back to some other kind of bushing.

 

[SHO93OFF]

Interesting, seems like its almost 50/50 when it comes to asfb's -

harsh ride quality / no significant change in ride quality

I think the fact that you can get used to almost any ride type, noise etc. plays big part in this.

Still having a hard time finding stock sfbs , i need to replace both of my rears and i can only find fronts

 

[naval-avi8or]

http://www.shonutperformance.com/

First item under
Subrame Bushings and Parts

 

[SHO93OFF]

Ive contacted shonut and they dont have them available anymore, also i kinda wanted to pay for only two since thats all i need.

 

[Phoenix]

There's always a set on Ebay running.

 

[SolidState]

I just installed SHOnut regular reinforced front and rear and a brand new stock transmission mount as well as two recall kits and a set of ALSFB on my MTX.

This is the second set of ALSFB I have had.

On the ATX, there was no appreciable difference in NVH. I would imagine this is due in large part to the fluid filled motor mounts.

There is a little more road noise on the MTX, but not much in the way of the motor. It DID help me detect a misfire due to old wires. I wouldn't say that the feedback of the motor mounts and SFB to be much worse than my stock VW GTi 1.8T.

I actually found more road noise from having my TSR cups welded today than anything else...

 

[naval-avi8or]

Ive contacted shonut and they dont have them available anymore, also i kinda wanted to pay for only two since thats all i need.

Go to this site ( fordpartsdirect.com)

aka

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchCatalogOEM&siteid=214290

Paste in the following part numbers
F6DZ5400396A
$11.41
Front suspension - Suspension components - Susp crossmember - Upper insulator
Upper insulator 1996 - 1999



YF1Z5400155AA

$13.65
Front suspension - Suspension components - Susp crossmember - Lower insulator
Lower insulator 1996 - 1999

 

[SHO93OFF]

ok soo one of each of these part numbers will cover one corner and/or will equal one whole sfb, correct ?

 

[Racer X]

SHO93OFF, what are you doing this weekend?

I have a ball joint to replace in the am, but if you'd like I can give you a ride to see if you could live with what AlSFB's would feel like.

PM me if you're interested.

 

[naval-avi8or]

ok soo one of each of these part numbers will cover one corner and/or will equal one whole sfb, correct ?

You'll need 4 of ea of the part numbers posted.

 

[SHO93OFF]

yes but iam looking to replace the two rear corners only (the two front corners were replaced by the previous owners) soo that would be 2 of each part right.

 

[naval-avi8or]

yes but iam looking to replace the two rear corners only (the two front corners were replaced by the previous owners) soo that would be 2 of each part right (wasnt aware that gen III sfb's were two pieces)

OK you just need 2 ea of those part numbers. Unless I'm just crazy all subframe bushings on the SHO are a 2 piece design.

 

[SHObill]

Hockey pucks make the best SFB!