HPTuners Updates for 2013-2017 Taurus SHO

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Lol okay bro. You're mocking me for bringing the actual problem to the table for discussion, but somehow I'm bringing the negative vibes?

The Apollo engineers didn't waste eons chasing their tails on solutions that they already knew wouldn't work. This forum has a decade of discussions complaining about some mythical software limitation on the RDU, or hardware torque limits that suggest I could snap an axle just by attaching an 18" pipe wrench to the hub and standing on it.

Yet, this now probably the fourth thread in which I've brought up the need for a LSD, yet the only response I've gotten so far is chirpy indignation because I'm not coddling your imagination or something.

Though many of your points are valid and you bring up interesting things to ponder, the real issue I have with you is that you are consistently putting down any attempt at innovation, whether it become fruitful or not. And what makes it worse, is that you provide zero insight on how you, being the smartest guy in the room apparently, could provide suggestions on where you would either improve on someones idea or go another direction.

You're right, an LSD would really go along way in improving things, but it's not the ONLY solution. So instead of yelling at someone at how dumb they are about trying something outside the box or even simply having a brainstorm session on alternative ideas, how bout you constructively join the discussion (umm, isn't that what these forums are ultimately for?) or just shut up?

I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers, nor am I formally trained in any advanced automotive engineering concepts. But that doesn't mean I won't give it the ol' college try nor am I too proud to ask for help/advice. Now if someone were to provide a more viable solution that was within my grasp, I'm all about the democratic process, I'll give that idea a go.

You remind me of some of the Privates I used to be responsible for. Come to me with how messed up a situation is or how something isn't working right, but not provide solutions. It's one of my peevs. Come to me with an alternative solution to a problem and let's tackle it together, but in the absence of that, we going to continue doing it my way...

You seem to have all the answers, so...open up your own shop and start monetizing that knowledge. Or let's see that 10sec SHO you are pushing right now..

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

@stripSHO I think what you're forgetting is, that for many of us...it's really about the journey...not the destination.

I love the build process and the inherent problem solving that comes with it. Not always fruitful, but it makes the end success that much more enjoyable.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Forgive me for sharing advancements to the platform. We saw a bottleneck in the software no one bothered to address for the past 7 years, or the last 3 that XDI has been on the platform at least, and we shared the information in the event others were having similar issues.

Why the stigma around sharing information? I know this platform sees tuners holding their information tight to try to get an edge, but if we can share a little information to educate the consumer or DIYer, the platform has a chance to advance.

As I said in the title of the post, 2018+ cars have had this since day one, but this information didn't exist for a majority of the 13-17 cars until 2 days ago.

If you have already investigated this, feel free to add to the discussion, that's what this thread was all about.

 

[Jordan_R]

I'm still on the boat that @stripSHO and @High on Ethanol are the same person just alter egos going at it.

 

[Nova]

I'm still on the boat that @stripSHO and @High on Ethanol are the same person just alter egos going at it.

That could be true but I think they are more of a twins sharing the same body situation.

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[High on Ethanol]

I'm still on the boat that @stripSHO and @High on Ethanol are the same person just alter egos going at it.

 

[High on Ethanol]

That could be true but I think they are more of a twins sharing the same body situation.

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[High on Ethanol]

Back to the original topic, thanks for the update @FiveLeeter918 and keep pressing them for adding more.

Also HPtuners updates the beta daily, so some changes happen faster, especially for newer or popular platforms.

Id recommend the MPVI2 over the Ngauge unless you have a tuner that will only tune the Ngauge which is more friendly for tuner locking.

It's interesting to monitor the different ways people innovate and to see the results. I've been messing with the grille shutters and seeing the difference in warm-up time and gas mileage.

I'm back on the stock tune for winter, so it's something to do....

 

[Nova]

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I am a fan, you're my favorite ***!

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[High on Ethanol]

I am a fan, you're my favorite ***!

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[stripSHO]

Though many of your points are valid and you bring up interesting things to ponder, the real issue I have with you is that you are consistently putting down any attempt at innovation, whether it become fruitful or not. And what makes it worse, is that you provide zero insight on how you, being the smartest guy in the room apparently, could provide suggestions on where you would either improve on someones idea or go another direction. That's literally what I'm doing. If I wanted to improve the capability of the AWD system, I would start with a limited slip up front. But you've decided since you don't like that idea or the fact the I don't have a manufactured and ready to ship solution to put in your hands that you'd derail the thread to make it about all about me. Sorry for offending you, I'll try to sprinkle more sugar on my posts in the future.

You're right, an LSD would really go along way in improving things, but it's not the ONLY solution. So instead of yelling at someone at how dumb they are about trying something outside the box or even simply having a brainstorm session on alternative ideas, how bout you constructively join the discussion (umm, isn't that what these forums are ultimately for?) or just shut up? Again, the only person in the room attacking anyone is you, sweetheart. Sorry I don't "constructively" bombard threads with dank memes like you routinely do.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers, nor am I formally trained in any advanced automotive engineering concepts. But that doesn't mean I won't give it the ol' college try nor am I too proud to ask for help/advice. Now if someone were to provide a more viable solution that was within my grasp, I'm all about the democratic process, I'll give that idea a go. Hi, college dropout computer science major here. No engineering background for me either. So why is it on me to either have all the answers or shut up and go away?

You remind me of some of the Privates I used to be responsible for. Come to me with how messed up a situation is or how something isn't working right, but not provide solutions. It's one of my peevs. Come to me with an alternative solution to a problem and let's tackle it together, but in the absence of that, we going to continue doing it my way... Quite to the contrary... at my job I am generally the one everyone comes to when a problem needs solving. That includes all our service technicians, construction techs, the project manager, customers, service coordinators, president/general manager, salesmen, etc. I've built a reputation of fixing problems that most others can't even identify, and occasionally even get called in as the Stig for other contractors. But again WTF does any of this have to do with traction?

You seem to have all the answers, so...open up your own shop and start monetizing that knowledge. Funny that you're the second person to suggest my thoughts and input aren't valid or helpful unless I'm personally trying to relieve you of your wallet. I make plenty doing what I do.

Or let's see that 10sec SHO you are pushing right now.. Hey how about you wait until that explorer with every upgrade imaginable (and then some more) puts up a time faster than my stock SHO before you start waving other people's ***** at me?

@stripSHO I think what you're forgetting is, that for many of us...it's really about the journey...not the destination.

I love the build process and the inherent problem solving that comes with it. Not always fruitful, but it makes the end success that much more enjoyable. I totally agree, and that's why I had no problem with taking a year to research and develop my own tunes just to find the baseline of my car. Next spring I'll buy tires and probably just play around with launching for the whole season. Maybe do the exhaust. Realistically if and when I end up hitting 11.99 with nothing but those two mods, then I'll likely call it good and move on to the dozen other projects I have laying around.

Responses in bold.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Responses in bold.

Seems like I've struck a nerve? You've lost the plot and quite wrong on most of your points, my friend....but hey, keep doing what you do and I'll keep doing what I do. It's that simple.

I won't dignify this any further with any of my "dank memery".

 

[High on Ethanol]

Seems like I've struck a nerve? You've lost the plot and quite wrong on most of your points, my friend....but hey, keep doing what you do and I'll keep doing what I do. It's that simple.

I won't dignify this any further with any of my "dank memery".

Need dank memery.

 

[802SHO]

Think we just need to jam out to a good song and we’ll all be best buds again

 

[skyshadow07]

boy oh boy, there is a trend here. Every thread seems to start off optimistic and fun loving then a specific person comes into the convo and boom.

 

[stripSHO]

Forgive me for sharing advancements to the platform. We saw a bottleneck in the software no one bothered to address for the past 7 years, or the last 3 that XDI has been on the platform at least, and we shared the information in the event others were having similar issues.

Why the stigma around sharing information? I know this platform sees tuners holding their information tight to try to get an edge, but if we can share a little information to educate the consumer or DIYer, the platform has a chance to advance.

As I said in the title of the post, 2018+ cars have had this since day one, but this information didn't exist for a majority of the 13-17 cars until 2 days ago.

If you have already investigated this, feel free to add to the discussion, that's what this thread was all about.

Sorry Lee. I wasn't trying to knock you in any way. Apparently that's how it came through so I apologize. I just find it weird that my 2016 has had all of these new parameters since the day I got my MPVI.

You know, for the longest time I've been under the impression due to the design that the right front axle and the PTU were mechanically locked as a cheap-ass afterthought attachment and that's where all my ranting about the open front diff comes from. Nobody's bothered correcting my ignorance. But today I think I'm finally realizing that the PTU is splined to the carrier itself and not dependent on the differential as I've been ignorantly believing.

If this is true then 1) I'm a idiot and 2) I'm kicking myself for having to played with these settings sooner! Although...

The resolution is jacked up, but I do have AWD duty cycle in all my logs. I don't know if it's supposed to be % or what, but multiplying the logged values by 10,000 puts the RDU command at 4.6% when stopped, peaking at 92.6% around 16 mph, then slowly tapering off from there:




There's a few other parameters I'll be adding to my logs too:



It will be interesting to send those AWD torque requests to the moon and see if this duty cycle signal goes up or not. I've got a very simple two-step I'm working the bugs out of and am currently able to leave on any amount of boost I want. Trouble has been getting the timing to ramp back in quick enough for it to matter. And without the supporting traction I decided to just let it go by the wayside and abandoned it.

 

[High on Ethanol]

Sorry Lee. I wasn't trying to knock you in any way. Apparently that's how it came through so I apologize. I just find it weird that my 2016 has had all of these new parameters since the day I got my MPVI.

You know, for the longest time I've been under the impression due to the design that the right front axle and the PTU were mechanically locked as a cheap-ass afterthought attachment and that's where all my ranting about the open front diff comes from. Nobody's bothered correcting my ignorance. But today I think I'm finally realizing that the PTU is splined to the carrier itself and not dependent on the differential as I've been ignorantly believing.

If this is true then 1) I'm a idiot and 2) I'm kicking myself for having to played with these settings sooner! Although...

The resolution is jacked up, but I do have AWD duty cycle in all my logs. I don't know if it's supposed to be % or what, but multiplying the logged values by 10,000 puts the RDU command at 4.6% when stopped, peaking at 92.6% around 16 mph, then slowly tapering off from there:

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There's a few other parameters I'll be adding to my logs too:
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It will be interesting to send those AWD torque requests to the moon and see if this duty cycle signal goes up or not. I've got a very simple two-step I'm working the bugs out of and am currently able to leave on any amount of boost I want. Trouble has been getting the timing to ramp back in quick enough for it to matter. And without the supporting traction I decided to just let it go by the wayside and abandoned it.

Awesome information! Keep sharing please. Need input!

 

[stripSHO]

Seems like I've struck a nerve? You've lost the plot and quite wrong on most of your points, my friend....but hey, keep doing what you do and I'll keep doing what I do. It's that simple.

I won't dignify this any further with any of my "dank memery".

Thank god

 

[stripSHO]

Awesome information! Keep sharing please. Need input!

You already have it. It's on our computer. Duh!

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Sorry Lee. I wasn't trying to knock you in any way. Apparently that's how it came through so I apologize. I just find it weird that my 2016 has had all of these new parameters since the day I got my MPVI.

You know, for the longest time I've been under the impression due to the design that the right front axle and the PTU were mechanically locked as a cheap-ass afterthought attachment and that's where all my ranting about the open front diff comes from. Nobody's bothered correcting my ignorance. But today I think I'm finally realizing that the PTU is splined to the carrier itself and not dependent on the differential as I've been ignorantly believing.

If this is true then 1) I'm a idiot and 2) I'm kicking myself for having to played with these settings sooner! Although...

The resolution is jacked up, but I do have AWD duty cycle in all my logs. I don't know if it's supposed to be % or what, but multiplying the logged values by 10,000 puts the RDU command at 4.6% when stopped, peaking at 92.6% around 16 mph, then slowly tapering off from there:

View attachment 17189


There's a few other parameters I'll be adding to my logs too:
View attachment 17190


It will be interesting to send those AWD torque requests to the moon and see if this duty cycle signal goes up or not. I've got a very simple two-step I'm working the bugs out of and am currently able to leave on any amount of boost I want. Trouble has been getting the timing to ramp back in quick enough for it to matter. And without the supporting traction I decided to just let it go by the wayside and abandoned it.

This is stuff I can get behind and support! A two-step would be great!