Brand new, livernois upgrades available

[Jwest1415]

Brand new, never used livernois upgrades for sale. Bought them in April, procrastinated, and now I would just prefer the money. Reasonable offers only please. Hope everyone is staying healthy. Thank you.

 

[SM105K]

GLWS....

 

[Jwest1415]

GLWS....

Why's that? And thank you.

 

[limited02]

View attachment 14168Brand new, never used livernois upgrades for sale. Bought them in April, procrastinated, and now I would just prefer the money. Reasonable offers only please. Hope everyone is staying healthy. Thank you.

Have you asked if you can return them since you never used them,

 

[SM105K]

Why's that? And thank you.

Just look around the forum. There are numerous threads about how "stellar" they are.

 

[Jwest1415]

Have you asked if you can return them since you never used them,

Yes. Their return policy is 30 days and they would not make an exception even with them never being used.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Yes. Their return policy is 30 days and they would not make an exception even with them never being used.

Looks to me like you weren't too far past the 30 days, not a big deal in my book. They could've worked it out with you. But sounds pretty typical for their customer service...which is lacking.

Welcome to the club! Lol...

 

[Jwest1415]

Just look around the forum. There are numerous threads about how "stellar" they are.

I've seen far more positive than negative on forums and YouTube while researching before the purchase. Plus if nobody wants them I'll just quit procrastinating, install them and enjoy that "stellar" performance lol.

 

[Jwest1415]

Looks to me like you weren't too far past the 30 days, not a big deal in my book. They could've worked it out with you. But sounds pretty typical for their customer service...which is lacking.

Welcome to the club! Lol...

Agreed and thank you lol

 

[SM105K]

I've seen far more positive than negative on forums and YouTube while researching before the purchase. Plus if nobody wants them I'll just quit procrastinating, install them and enjoy that "stellar" performance lol.

Well you completely missed all the major parts of how stellar their tuning is, got completely taken to the cleaners, and fell for great marketing.

If you actually did research you would have seen no one recommends them here of or the other Ecoboost Forum. Since you joined today, you also didn't research that you have to pay for a classified post here as well. But alas...I did the research for you.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community. V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about how LMS and how he was treated after a failure

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953


After this LMS ghosted the community for the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html

No trying to be a dick, but..

 

[ridered74]

The other bad news is that for someone else to use the tuner, they would probably have to pay LMS a $300 transfer fee since you are the one that bought it. They might not since you never actually got a tune from them but I doubt it. You might want to double check with them just so you know for sure.

I doubt on a good day you could even recoup half the cost sad to say.

 

[Jwest1415]

Well you completely missed all the major parts of how stellar their tuning is, got completely taken to the cleaners, and fell for great marketing.

If you actually did research you would have seen no one recommends them here of or the other Ecoboost Forum. Since you joined today, you also didn't research that you have to pay for a classified post here as well. But alas...I did the research for you.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community. V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about how LMS and how he was treated after a failure

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953


After this LMS ghosted the community for the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html

No trying to be a dick, but..

The other bad news is that for someone else to use the tuner, they would probably have to pay LMS a $300 transfer fee since you are the one that bought it. They might not since you never actually got a tune from them but I doubt it. You might want to double check with them just so you know for sure.

I doubt on a good day you could even recoup half the cost sad to say.

Yeah, you're both right. My research was definitely inadequate and I confirmed the $300 "licensing" transfer fee when I spoke to them about possibly returning. And to sm105k, not a dick. Just dropping some knowledge and helping me learn a tough lesson. Wish I woulda joined here before and simply asked around a bit first. Live and learn...

 

[Jwest1415]

Well you completely missed all the major parts of how stellar their tuning is, got completely taken to the cleaners, and fell for great marketing.

If you actually did research you would have seen no one recommends them here of or the other Ecoboost Forum. Since you joined today, you also didn't research that you have to pay for a classified post here as well. But alas...I did the research for you.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community. V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about how LMS and how he was treated after a failure

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953


After this LMS ghosted the community for the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html

No trying to be a dick, but..

Oh and my bad about the paying for a classified post thing. Seemed like that bothered you a bit.

 

[ridered74]

Well damn... I've rea

Yeah, you're both right. My research was definitely inadequate and I confirmed the $300 "licensing" transfer fee when I spoke to them about possibly returning. And to sm105k, not a dick. Just dropping some knowledge and helping me learn a tough lesson. Wish I woulda joined here before and simply asked around a bit first. Live and learn...

Might as well throw it on your car and get some enjoyment out of the money you spent. Realistically the price any of that will fetch on the used market will not change much whether they are brand new in the box or have several thousand miles of use on them. Once you buy that stuff from the vendor it's pretty much worth what it's worth.

 

[Jwest1415]

Might as well throw it on your car and get some enjoyment out of the money you spent. Realistically the price any of that will fetch on the used market will not change much whether they are brand new in the box or have several thousand miles of use on them. Once you buy that stuff from the vendor it's pretty much worth what it's worth.

Might do that. All the stuff sm105k was sending links too has me a bit paranoid about blowing a fuel pump or something.

 

[ridered74]

Might do that. All the stuff sm105k was sending links too has me a bit paranoid about blowing a fuel pump or something.

All of those issues were with their V11 tune. The hard feelings aren't really even from the tune problems, more so the way that they handled it. Each person that contacted them was told they were the only one having the issue, and it must be something with their car. Thank goodness for forums and the spread of information right? They also swore for a long time that catch cans were not needed and argued against them a good bit on these forums, then one day what do you know they have a catch can for sale and recommend it. It's one of those things where once your word is no good, what else do you have?

My car actually ran fine with the V11 tune until I added downpipes. After that it just did not want to shift into 2nd gear any time I would do a WOT pull from zero.

I only ran the V17 recently for a couple days, but the only issue I had was it seemed to take longer than it should have to shift into 2nd gear when I had traction control turned on. If you load it up and test that out and it works, you should be ok. You'll be a little slower than most tuned sho's with same mods, but honestly you don't need to worry about blowing up anything major any more than if you were leaving your car stock.

I would recommend at the very least pulling your spark plugs and making sure they are gapped to .030 since I don't see those on your invoice. Most people put brand new ones in when tuning their car. If the gap is too wide you can get misfires.

 

[Jwest1415]

All of those issues were with their V11 tune. The hard feelings aren't really even from the tune problems, more so the way that they handled it. Each person that contacted them was told they were the only one having the issue, and it must be something with their car. Thank goodness for forums and the spread of information right? They also swore for a long time that catch cans were not needed and argued against them a good bit on these forums, then one day what do you know they have a catch can for sale and recommend it. It's one of those things where once your word is no good, what else do you have?

My car actually ran fine with the V11 tune until I added downpipes. After that it just did not want to shift into 2nd gear any time I would do a WOT pull from zero.

I only ran the V17 recently for a couple days, but the only issue I had was it seemed to take longer than it should have to shift into 2nd gear when I had traction control turned on. If you load it up and test that out and it works, you should be ok. You'll be a little slower than most tuned sho's with same mods, but honestly you don't need to worry about blowing up anything major any more than if you were leaving your car stock.

I would recommend at the very least pulling your spark plugs and making sure they are gapped to .030 since I don't see those on your invoice. Most people put brand new ones in when tuning their car. If the gap is too wide you can get misfires.

I just replaced the spark plugs about 1k miles ago, in anticipation of this mod, but I can check the gap on them based on what you recommended. I appreciate the advice and the reassurance my car won't explode lol. You guys have been really helpful and I genuinely appreciate it. Any further advice or recommendations are always welcome. Especially from people who seem to have pretty extensive experience with this stuff. I also have zero intentions of running the car hard. An occasional WOT if I'm first at a green light and just generally making the, already beast of a car, a little more fun to drive.

 

[SHOsbeforehoes]

Also for anyone in the market Summit sells the motorcraft map sensor brand new for 75 dollars.

 

[GotGrip?]

I've seen far more positive than negative on forums and YouTube while researching before the purchase. Plus if nobody wants them I'll just quit procrastinating, install them and enjoy that "stellar" performance lol.

Check the time stamps on those positive comments. Before my time in the SHO community LMS was the "go to" which was maybe a year and a half ago. Not sure if it's new management or what but my experience with them is limited to the forums. From what I can see simply based on my back and forth i had with them when I was a potential customer was appalling at best. If you like them you like them, but there are people that are better with literally every aspect of the game than they are from sales all the way to the actual hands on help with tuning/logging. I still have an almost 200 post email string with Brad when I went to e30, and I think I have another almost 100 post email with Matt as my first tuner. This is why people turn away from LMS tunes and/or products, they just don't have what it takes RIGHT NOW.

 

[limited02]

I just replaced the spark plugs about 1k miles ago, in anticipation of this mod, but I can check the gap on them based on what you recommended. I appreciate the advice and the reassurance my car won't explode lol. You guys have been really helpful and I genuinely appreciate it. Any further advice or recommendations are always welcome. Especially from people who seem to have pretty extensive experience with this stuff. I also have zero intentions of running the car hard. An occasional WOT if I'm first at a green light and just generally making the, already beast of a car, a little more fun to drive.

If you don't have any luck selling it, just install it. You can run a lower octane tune (91) and the car will perform better than it already does. Like @ridered74 said, just make sure you're gapped .028-.030 with the spark plugs.

My personal experience with LMS has been great, but as @SM105K has shown, they did a very poor job when issues arose and how they dealt with it. I certainly expected a better response from them and because of that, they have dropped down the list of who I recommend.