Finally DONE! Ford Racing catback exhaust

[ChinoSHO15]

I want to start the mods and the muffler system seems the best one but first if anyone can help me. I want to install down pipes and mufflers but do I need a tune in order works right?

Any recommendations guys what to do or where to start? Please and thank you

And also in case tha I need a tune before I mess whit the exhaust system which one you guys recommend
- livernois tube
Or
- unleashed tune

 

[SHOdded]

Either tuner should work for you, Chino. Unleashed tune will require datalogging to get you to the final stage, as Torrie will start you off conservatively (make sure you get the performance tune right off the bat). Livernois will give you tunes that do not require datalogging (they don't believe in dataloggers anyway), and usually are already the "final" tunes. They have "race" tunes if you want to take your SHO further.

Where intake/exhaust is concerned, downpipes are the first mod to make, then turboback exhaust, then CAI. If simply updating downpipes, and/or TStat, don't NEED a tune, but to take full advantage of these parts, you DO need a tune.

The simplest place to start is with a tune and 3 bar MAP. If you want more out of your SHO, then you need to replace the TStat, and should replace the downpipes. That will go a long way. Then if you are interested, there is methanol injection (side benefit of keeping intake valves/exhaust tips clean), bigger turbos (less boost for same power), and a somewhat controversial fueling mod of E85.

 

[StealBlueSho]

And also in case tha I need a tune before I mess whit the exhaust system which one you guys recommend
- livernois tube
Or
- unleashed tune

Honestly.... If you look at all the time slips and results, by the time you get done ragging your car out for datalogs required my Unleashed, the tunes are almost identical...and LMS is just plug and play...

I have had both, I would have saved a lot of time and money If I had just gone with LMS..

The only reason I would go with Unleashes is if.you want to experiment...LMS is not into experiments...

 

[Golfsupt]

Honestly.... If you look at all the time slips and results, by the time you get done ragging your car out for datalogs required my Unleashed, the tunes are almost identical...and LMS is just plug and play...

I have had both, I would have saved a lot of time and money If I had just gone with LMS..

The only reason I would go with Unleashes is if.you want to experiment...LMS is not into experiments...

I agree with this to an extent. Time yes, money not so much. Track times are pretty identical. There is only so much you can do to the sho before you are playing with fire. Took me 5 datalogs to reach my final tune. So yes time of mine was taken up. On the other side the sct tuner is roughly 200 dollars cheaper. I can't see that I have wasted 200 dollars in fuel to datalog my car. That is unless you got a nice speeding ticket. All in all to me is do you have the time, a safe place to datalog your car to around 100 mph, and a pc laptop. If not livernois would be the way to go. Both great tuners in my mind.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I agree with this to an extent. Time yes, money not so much. Track times are pretty identical. There is only so much you can do to the sho before you are playing with fire. Took me 5 datalogs to reach my final tune. So yes time of mine was taken up. On the other side the sct tuner is roughly 200 dollars cheaper. I can't see that I have wasted 200 dollars in fuel to datalog my car. That is unless you got a nice speeding ticket. All in all to me is do you have the time, a safe place to datalog your car to around 100 mph, and a pc laptop. If not livernois would be the way to go. Both great tuners in my mind.

Torrie never was able get a tune put onto my car that was any good... the only thing he kept telling me was my fuel system was weak... I replaced parts based on his recommendation that did not resolve any of the issues with his tunes ($750 worth of fueling pumps and modules). I have since gone with two other tuners who had no issues getting my car tuned without fuel pressure issues.

I know he has had a lot of success working with other SHO's, and he is willing to tune E mixes along with other various modifications that LMS generally wont remote tune....

Torrie is a good tuner period. But if you start running into issues when he tunes, it might be worth getting a second opinion and I am not the only one who has had to do that..

 

[Golfsupt]

Torrie never was able get a tune put onto my car that was any good... the only thing he kept telling me was my fuel system was weak... I replaced parts based on his recommendation that did not resolve any of the issues with his tunes ($750 worth of fueling pumps and modules). I have since gone with two other tuners who had no issues getting my car tuned without fuel pressure issues.

I know he has had a lot of success working with other SHO's, and he is willing to tune E mixes along with other various modifications that LMS generally wont remote tune....

Torrie is a good tuner period. But if you start running into issues when he tunes, it might be worth getting a second opinion and I am not the only one who has had to do that..

The fuel pressure issues were tune related you think then? Did you datalog with new tunes to confirm fuel pressure was higher then before? Just curious.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Yes, I can confirm that the fuel pressure was tune related. I have datalogs of the original tune he provides, and then obviously additional logging as the parts were replaced showing very little change in fuel pressure. Over 20+ revisions and 80+ datalogs... fuel pressure dropping below 1300psi in ALMOST all of them... and my AFR's were wacky(I even switched out WB's to make sure they weren't bad), and my fuel trims were VERY inconsistent with at times one bank lean and the other rich at the SAME time. I had throttle closing issues with most of his tunes because of poor fuel pressure in the tune. It could have been just my strategy, but Torrie would never confirm it..

I have datalogs of the LMS race tune that I have showing fuel pressure above 1950 PSI through the entire run. That is their hottest off the shelf tune, and no fuel pressure issues. AND faster 0-60 than any of the Unleashed tunes..

I have datalogs from the tunes AJPTurbo(who is on the Ecoboost Performance Forum) has put on my car, showing GREAT fuel pressure with the Wastegate mod and even without the wastegate mod. This is the fastest tune I run... 0-60 in under 4.3second consistently. Worst I saw the pressure drop was 1700 psi... and that was recently when it was 38F outside.

So to answer your question, I have more datalogs then I know what to do with... every step of the way was datalogged and verified.

Torrie has had great success with A LOT of cars, and mediocre success with several, just search the boards... All I am saying, is that before you go down the path I did of replacing parts based on his assessment if there is an issue, get a second opinion... this is one of the pitfalls of remote tuning..

 

[Golfsupt]

Yes, I can confirm that the fuel pressure was tune related. I have datalogs of the original tune he provides, and then obviously additional logging as the parts were replaced showing very little change in fuel pressure. Over 20+ revisions and 80+ datalogs... fuel pressure dropping below 1300psi in ALMOST all of them... and my AFR's were wacky(I even switched out WB's to make sure they weren't bad), and my fuel trims were VERY inconsistent with at times one bank lean and the other rich at the SAME time. I had throttle closing issues with most of his tunes because of poor fuel pressure in the tune. It could have been just my strategy, but Torrie would never confirm it..

I have datalogs of the LMS race tune that I have showing fuel pressure above 1950 PSI through the entire run. That is their hottest off the shelf tune, and no fuel pressure issues. AND faster 0-60 than any of the Unleashed tunes..

I have datalogs from the tunes AJPTurbo(who is on the Ecoboost Performance Forum) has put on my car, showing GREAT fuel pressure with the Wastegate mod and even without the wastegate mod. This is the fastest tune I run... 0-60 in under 4.3second consistently. Worst I saw the pressure drop was 1700 psi... and that was recently when it was 38F outside.

So to answer your question, I have more datalogs then I know what to do with... every step of the way was datalogged and verified.

Torrie has had great success with A LOT of cars, and mediocre success with several, just search the boards... All I am saying, is that before you go down the path I did of replacing parts based on his assessment if there is an issue, get a second opinion... this is one of the pitfalls of remote tuning..

Very good info. I hadn't seen to many of those issues Torrie was having but I will for sure take a look. Crazy from one car to the next how much can go wrong. I have had no issues what so ever with unleashed.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Very good info. I hadn't seen to many of those issues Torrie was having but I will for sure take a look. Crazy from one car to the next how much can go wrong. I have had no issues what so ever with unleashed.

Yup, again, I am not bashing Torrie.. he has a great reputation, and has a lot of success with many SHO's. Part of the reason I spent so much money troubleshooting the fueling issue was because of how good of a reputation he has. Otherwise I would gone else where immediately.

Honestly, I think because of the 2013+ has a LPFP that is able to push upto 75psi vs the 55psi on the 2010-2012 you see less fuel pressure issues with SCT tuned SHO's.. and their strategy is completely updated. Even LMS says tuning the 2013+ are easier..

 

[ChinoSHO15]

ok guys so i will go with LMS tune since after all i have read from all of you..........its simple and plug and play plus i barely put 31k in the car so i think is time to start getting under the hood

 

[SilverSH0]

Honestly.... If you look at all the time slips and results, by the time you get done ragging your car out for datalogs required my Unleashed, the tunes are almost identical...and LMS is just plug and play...

I have had both, I would have saved a lot of time and money If I had just gone with LMS..

The only reason I would go with Unleashes is if.you want to experiment...LMS is not into experiments...

I think this is pretty bias based on your issues. Time slips are almost identical is true. "By the time you get done ragging your car out..." is a bit bias. If you're concerned about several 0-100ish full throttle runs then why are you buying a tuner to start with? No one is ragging their car out more than they will do normally because they want to and that's why they're buying the tune.

While it would be true you would have saved a lot of money by going with LMS, that's not true for most people. Most people will save a few hundred dollars with Unleashed over LMS as the tuner is cheaper.

The reasons I would go with Unleashed is if you wanted to save money or you have future plans to add mods that LMS will not tune (such as meth kit not from LMS that would be even more money savings). Reasons I would go with LMS is because you simply want to flash a tune and not datalog and they offer pretty much every "normal" mod in a convenient package.

 

[StealBlueSho]

The end results are the same.. one tune requires you to datalog... Several tunes worth of datalogs on the street which is much different than on a dyno...that in my opinion is ragging your car out a bit to get good data...

One tune you just plug and play with no datalogging..

Both tunes put up similar times..

If you want to experiment then Torrie is great...Torrie will tune anything you ask too.. he doesn't seem care. But that's his business to run..his risk to take..

Yes, LMS only supports their AlkyMeth kit, but it's their tune, their business, and I am not gonna fault them for that.

Both tuners have dramatically different tuning styles..

My experience tends to have me lean towards LMS and AJP....

If you want more information I would be more than happy to have a PM conversation...

 

[ChinoSHO15]

So a good question here. Which exhaust system sounds better over all
- magnaflow
- borla
- corsa
Also turbo back or cat back style.??? I need some help

 

[SilverSH0]

So a good question here. Which exhaust system sounds better over all
- magnaflow
- borla
- corsa
Also turbo back or cat back style.??? I need some help

What system sounds best is a completely subjective question. I recommend getting online and listening to as many clips as you can find to decide for yourself.

Turbo back or cat back is going to depend on how much money you're going to spend. I don't know how they classify things for this car (they do a lot different outside what's normal in the car community) but a cat back should simply be mufflers from the catalytic converter to the tips (basically 2.5" piping, mufflers, and tips). A turbo back should be everything from a catback system plus downpipes. Buying a turbo back is going to be better than catback in every way except cost.

 

[Metroplex]

I came upon this thread after I found the FRPP Touring exhaust at the FRPP site. They looked exactly like Borla's Touring muffler setup and it seemed others have confirmed it is a Borla kit. Did anyone ever see an increase in performance at the track with a CAI or any type of cat-back exhaust? I know DP's are really helpful with the EB 3.5, but I'm not touching them on my SHO at this point.

I have yet to find a single exhaust system that makes any of the EcoBoost engines (2.0, 2.3, 2.7, 3.5) sound decent. They typically make them sound like ricers with a big rig turbo whistle upon deceleration. F-150s with the EB and an aftermarket exhaust sound really bad, as in bad bad.

My stock SHO idles so quietly that I don't realize the engine is running when I get out of the car in an open parking lot/field.

 

[Joe Durand]

Metro, I think you are in the same boat I am, as in, not ready to really tear into the car, and may never do so. I think in our case, just looking to make some better sound, we should be considering just an axle back system. Some of the you tube videos I've listened to make me believe some of them are a real inexpensive way to get what we are looking for.

 

[gimpy]

Stainless Works offers an x-pipe which I'm considering to use with Borla mufflers on my 2016.

I had AR-25s welded into my 2011 which had the 'bark' I was looking for. Only down side, it reminded me of an AutoZone Honda Civic riceboy for anyone inside the car, outside the car it wasn't the same.

However, I've heard a lot of horror stories about people who have tried an x-pipe configuration on their SHO.

Meeeehhh....

 

[StealBlueSho]

I run the borla without a third cat and no X pipe... Just straight pipes where the xpipe would run.. Sounds pretty throaty for a v6...

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[gimpy]

I run the borla without a third cat and no X pipe... Just straight pipes where the xpipe would run.. Sounds pretty throaty for a v6...

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Any videos by chance?

 

[iman2408]

I run the borla without a third cat and no X pipe... Just straight pipes where the xpipe would run.. Sounds pretty throaty for a v6...

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Do you use a universal borla muffler?


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