So who's not really impressed with the new SHO?

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Most of the comments you make will be to try and convince others that the reason you're not going to buy one is the price. Come on now.

Um... yeah. That's actually pretty much exactly the reason most people aren't going to buy it. Have you taken a look at the unemployment rate? Not good times to be affording a $40K car. Any $40K car. If I won the lottery the first thing I'd go out and do is buy a SHO cos they're freakin' awesome... but I'm not kidding anybody; the configurator is the closest I'm going to get.
 

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If this car had a different name and was never branded as an SHO all these mad people would be talking about how good it is and applauding Ford for bringing such a wonderful car to the table.


It's not a new SHO it's a better SHO period.
 

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I agree. I like the styling and it is fast, but it doesn't feel fast. It isolates you so much from the road and everything else in the car that it is just a bore to drive for me.

I agree 110% I'd much rather buy a CTS-V with a manual tranny than a new SHO if I spent that much money on a car. The CTS doesn't have such a disconnect between the car and driver IMHO.
 
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Come on now folks, admit it. You can't afford one. The only reason 90% of the people on this forum have a SHO is that it was cheap to buy. If the 95 MTX still cost 12,000.00 to buy right now, no one would have one. If you're driving a car that cost you 1,500.00 to buy, what makes you think your opinion of a 40,000.00 car is going to be relevant. Most of the comments you make will be to try and convince others that the reason you're not going to buy one is the price. Come on now.

I think that what Ford has done is nothing short of stupendous. They didn't ask the general public squat when they were cooking up the Mustang or GT. This new SHO is going to be for the well heeled, not the broke-@ss kid crowd. (of which I am currently a member, unfortunately)

Tom

I bought my first SHO new in 1995. I spent what would be equivalent to $35,000+ today with inflation, etc. As someone who COULD buy a new SHO, I'm telling you in perfect honesty that I would rather spend my money on a CTS-V or even spend less on a car like the Pontiac G8.
 

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I agree 110% I'd much rather buy a CTS-V with a manual tranny than a new SHO if I spent that much money on a car. The CTS doesn't have such a disconnect between the car and driver IMHO.

Priced that CTS-V lately? The one I saw at the Atlanta Auto Show was a bad mother and I would be proud to own one. But the sticker price in the mid $60K range means I won't be purchasing one anytime soon.
 

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Im impressed with the risk Ford took to make the car in the first place, especially considering the economy. Ill be even more impressed if it sells well, and gets a chance to improve.

The car itself, I cant tell you. Im sure Id want to change alot of things. Just like almost any car out there. It has potential and thats all that matters.
 

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Warning, big post ahead in which I don't attack anyone *gasp* :)

Well, except Kikkinasphalt :slap: Launch control? :laugh_ti: This isn't some 600 horsepower Lamborghini... brake boost and go. You don't NEED launch control, but then again, anyone who's driven the car can tell you that :evilgrin:

I know it can be tough, but try to keep this car in context (speaking to everyone now.) The 2010 SHO is a large, luxury/performance sedan that may or may not be a bona-fide sport sedan, depending on individual definitions. Folks shouldn't expect it to weigh as much as a Corvette, stop like a Ferrari, corner like a Lotus Elise, or out-accelerate a CTS-V. That is, unless you want to pay 100,000 grand for a car. Context people....

That said, I'm impressed with the car overall, though as Clarkson would say, "there's a bit more to it... than that." I don't think I've ever given a comprehensive breakdown like this, so bear with me because it's LONG but distinguished. Kind of like my... well never mind.

Things I'm impressed with:

I'm ENORMOUSLY impressed with the quality, layout, and feel of the interior. The way the dash slopes and integrates with the center console just makes this car feel very different than most other sedans of this caliber. The quality is very impressive as well, on par (YES, on par) with high end German sedans from Audi and BMW. The technology that this car comes with is even more impressive IMO, considering Ford still listed an OPTIONAL cassette deck as recently as 2007 for the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis... Ford's former luxury car flagships. Sync is a very user friendly voice system that actually works, and having items like adaptive cruise control, side radar, heated/cooled/massaging seats is NICE. And for the folks who don't care about options...I never gave a crap about heated/cooled/massaging seats until I spent 100 miles with them, now I dream about them at night. Sure, you can do without them, but having them available on this car makes it even sweeter.

I'm ENORMOUSLY impressed with the overall fit, finish, and refinement of this car. The original SHO had a harder edge, which many people now find appealing (myself included) but back in the day, not so much. I still cannot believe how quiet it is; even at 80 mph there's barely any wind noise. I've never been in a Ford vehicle that felt this solid. Once again, it compares with Germany's finest.

I'm ENORMOUSLY impressed with the balance Ford was able to strike in the suspension tuning. Traditionally, Ford's efforts in this department have either been too soft or too hard, but the fact that the SHO is so comfortable over rough terrain while still offering a taut suspension that inspires confidence when pushed, well hate to sound like a broken record, but once again, on par with German sport sedans.

I'm quite impressed with the torque of this car. I have no problem believing Ford's figures on this, and the folks who are used to the high-end pull of the V-6 will salivate at having so much thrust available at the twitch of your foot. No joke, this car has low-end meat that pushrod V-8 guys would envy, and it keeps pulling until you hit the rev limiter (which you'll do until you get used to shifting earlier, or leave it in full auto.) IMO, having this kind of torque is one of the reasons why the car feels smaller and lighter than it is. You'd think it would be a bit sluggish, but when you want to go, there is NO waiting, tonnage be dammed.

I'm impressed (no, not enormously) with the six-speed gearbox. For an automatic with manual control, it does go a step beyond most mamby-pamby "manumatics" by holding gears without upshifting no matter what, and the shift speed--especially on the downshifts--is quite impressive. Whether or not it will hold up over time remains to be seen, and that's something nobody will be qualified to report on until a few years have gone by.

Though I don't generally like to talk about styling (it's a totally subjective attribute that IMO has no place in a car review), I will say I'm impressed with the way the car looks. Not overly so; there's still a bulkiness to the car that I think could look a bit smoother, and I'd prefer less chrome, but overall, thumbs up.

Things I'm ambivalent about:

The weight. Everybody loves to talk about the weight, apparently not realizing that, over the last 20 years since the original SHO was built, all cars have gotten heavier. Nor does anyone seem to realize that all the new SHO's competitors are nearly equal or heavier. Beyond that, the driving characteristics of the car completely mask this tonnage. Would I like a lighter car? Sure... less weight per hp = a faster car. But does this car NEED to lose weight to be a fun, exciting, well-handling performance sedan? **** no, and just about everyone who's driven the car--from journalists to enthusiasts--agree.

The paddle shifters. At least Ford saw fit to give the car paddles instead of a notched section for the shifter to be flipped up or down, though I don't understand why Ford didn't go with the traditional upshift-right, downshift-left progrramming. I'd prefer that to the push-pull setup they have now, but it neither burns my bottom or turns me tingly. Just ambivalent.

The performance. Yes, I'm very impressed with the torque which is certainly a part of the performance, but I was still hoping for more horsepower. When I first heard 365, my first thought was "at least they upped it a little bit from the rest of the line", though I've always thought this car should be an even 400 horsepower right from the get go. This is supposed to be the SHO, and while it moves along just fine with 365, 400 would've really emphasized the performance aspect of this car so--like the original SHO--it could compete with cars outside its direct competition. Make no mistake, this car MOVES and 13 second quarter mile times for a sedan of this caliber is awesome. More power would be nice, but 365 is plenty fun. And being able to instantly go without waiting for turbo boost or secondaries to open is awesome. At least Ford didn't repeat the mistake they made with the Marauder, and that was a BIG worry of mine.

Things I'm not impressed with.

The brakes. Now, I need to clarify here that I've not had the chance to really, repeatedly work the brakes on this car. The few hard stops I did damn near put me through the windshield, and I experienced no fade during those events. However, logic dictates that you go with a larger brake size when you up the horsepower, and Ford decided to skirt that issue. Also VERY telling to me was that, at Ford's big 2010 media drive at the proving grounds a few weeks ago, Ford kept the SHO to their big, high-speed oval and didn't offer journalists a drive on their tighter, twistier, handling course. MY spider sense tells me they're realizing the brakes aren't up for hard use. Combine that with the nearly-universal negative press on the brakes and I'm left unimpressed. I personally don't think these brakes are anywhere near as poor as the original gen I/II stock brakes, and I also think many journalists have flogged the SHO much harder than most owners will, but regardless, for a flagship luxury/PERFORMANCE sedan, you should've done better Ford, and switching brake pads is just a flimsy excuse.

The LED cornering lights. Other than ornamental, I see no purpose for these and I think the car would be better without them. Instead, give us some bona-fide driving lamps.

The 3-bar grille. This was a huge marketing mistake and a legacy from the Bill Ford era. Ok, the SHO's 3-bar grille is different, and while it still looks better than the Gillette razor the rest of the lineup receives, it still needs to go.

The wheels. Like styling, this is subjective. I hate big wheels. Hate hate hate big wheels. In the old SVT days we fought against big wheels because they sap performance in exchange for good looks (that is, if you like driving a car that looks like something from the Hot Wheels collection). NO car needs anything bigger than 18 inch wheels unless you're sporting a massive braking system (which we all know the new SHO isn't.) At least offer something smaller for the folks who don't want to pay $1200 for a freakin' set of tires in a few years.

The styling. Yup, I was impressed with this too, so how can I also be unimpressed? Simple. I'm impressed with the new Taurus styling, but I'm unimpressed that there's not more to distinguish the SHO from the standard Taurus. A unique front or rear fasica, some minor cladding, something more than a wing and a badge (and no, I don't count the different finish on the grille because AFAIC there IS no difference in the way it looks). I benchmark the SVT Contour when it comes to making an ordinary-looking sedan look sexy without going too far. Yes, we like sleepers, but if I'm paying 40g's for a Taurus, I want people to know it's not the average Taurus.

The quietness. Once again, something I'm impressed with that also leaves me unimpressed. The quietness shows just how far Ford went in the engineering and quality department, and while I think car is plenty engaging to drive, it needs a bit more of the proper noise to really be exciting. Let's hear those turbos a bit more. Let's hear some of that engine growl. I'm fine with the steering and the handling; I think the driver gets good feedback in the context of a large performance sedan. But it's like watching the epic lightsaber duel at the end of Star Wars III without any sound. I drove a 2010 SHO at the proving grounds, followed immediately by a 300C, and I could've listened to that hemi winding out all day long.

Fuel economy. This one is very close to ambivalent. I like that it gets decent fuel economy for the performance that is has, but I'm not on-board with Ford's big "Ecoboost" marketing plan. Realistically speaking, this car is getting only 1-2 MPG better than most of its competition, and that can be made up with a careful right foot. So then, I guess I should say I'm ambivalent about the actual fuel economy, but unimpressed by Ford's attempt to make it sound better than it is.

Ok, that's long enough :)
 
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are some of you so brand myopic that you cant see that? the assessments im making are on reviews and performance stats. (as i stated earlier but apparently some of you cant read)

Nothing to do with no being able to read, just some finding the constant refrain of what is wrong from people that have not actually driven the car getting a bit old. We can all read stats and reviews. Interesting stuff, but not a bottom line. That only comes from going out and trying it. I strongly suspect that negative opinions would carry more weight for most if from people that had bothered to drive the car first.

Too simple though, I guess...

pax, smn
 
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However that's not the reason the new SHO is unimpressive. The real reason is that it doesn't make f**kin' waffles.

I think you win commenter of the day, Jalopnik style. That literally made me LMAO. My ass is nowhere to be found.

Also, new sig quote!
 

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IMO its like they took a badass luxury car and decided to put a SHO badge on it. A luxury car yes, but what the 1st and 2nd gen sho was? no.

I haven't read more than the first few replies but let me pose this question this way.

How many of the people chiming in here were in the market to pay ~30K for a Gen I/II/III?

Find the "A" title holders here that really did pony up BIG scratch for a SHO new from Ford in the past and ASK THEM if they think the new car is a worthy successor. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that over half of those people that Bought any previous gen SHO new from a dealership are thrilled about the offering that is the new SHO (I'll not count the Gen III owners who have sworn off Ford). I am the third owner of both my Gen III's and paid about half of sticker price for our 99 when it had 35K on it.

The Gen IV is incredibly more refined that any previous generation in pretty much every way imaginable. SHO buyers of yore and present buyers demand much more refinement than any of the previous SHO's had, if Ford put some early nineties grade interior within a car that had even a mild amount of Torque steer they would be slaughtered in the reviews. The Gen IV delivers more in almost every aspect, tranny selection is the only remote complaint anyone has that may be somewhat valid. HOWEVER getting an MTX to stand up to the torque of the EcoBoost, coupled with the pavement loads that AWD can deliver is no easy task, so I don't blame Ford there either.
 
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HOWEVER getting an MTX to stand up to the torque of the EcoBoost, coupled with the pavement loads that AWD can deliver is no easy task, so I don't blame Ford there either.

I wouldnt make excuses for Ford. It would be very easy actually. Just not cheap.

I figured at such a high price theyd make a new tranny, but hey wtf do I know..
 

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i don't think they should be able to call it a sho if it doesn't have the yamaha engine...that's what bugs me the most! but i don't know...just my opinion.
 

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I wouldnt make excuses for Ford. It would be very easy actually. Just not cheap.

I figured at such a high price theyd make a new tranny, but hey wtf do I know..

Gee.. When ATX's and MTX's were both available in SHO's even 15 - 20 years back the buying public who could stand behind 30K had way more people in line for the ATX than the MTX, like 2 ATX's sold for each MTX actually.... Why spend time and money developing an MTX driveline when ATX technology has gotten better? in the past 15 years to boot.... I worked very hard to convert my Gen III to MTX and it really brings the Gen III alive, but business sense does not dictate a risk like an MTX option for the Gen IV, especially with a company that is trying to forcefully "emerge".
 

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On a further note, of all the people comparing the new SHO to the GEN I/II's, and complaining how they are not the same car, that the new SHO does not have the same magic, etc etc etc, I would be curious to know how many of you PURCHASED GEN I/II'S BRAND NEW??? I can almost gaurantee that less than 1% did, and the other 99% would have been complaining about how the 1991 SHO was too heavy compared to the 89, how the new 16" slicer wheels were too big, how the unneeded airbags and nearly standard moonroof were luxury options that you did not want in a 'sports sedan', or when the 92 came out, you would have been bemoaning the again extra weight, the change in steering feel, the new dash design, the quiter insulated cabin, or how this car 'felt' slower than the 89.

GIVE IT A FREAKIN BREAK!!!!

The 2010 is absolutely AWESOME!!! One would be in my driveway tomorrow if I had not just spent $35,000 remodeling my house. They in NO way are meant as a comparison to the GEN I/II cars, as they are in a different class, and are better in nearly every aspect compared to those cars. Are all you guys too young to remember that the SALES OF THE ORIGINAL SHO's WERE ABYSMAL!!!! FORD DOES NOT WANT A REPEAT, WE AS SHO ENTHUSIASTS DO NOT WANT A REPEAT. Can the SHO get better, sure. Can all the moaning and whining change what the 2010 is? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. IF YOU WANT A CAR THAT DRIVES LIKE A GEN I/II SHO, THAT IS AS LIGHT AS A GEN I/II SHO, THAT DOES NOT COST $40,000, THAT HAS A YAMAHA ENGINE, BUY A FREAKIN GEN I/II SHO, THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF THEM ALL OVER THIS FORUM. Oh but wait, when a completely worked over low mileage 350hp GEN I comes on the forum for $6500, no one buys it and so the owner has to sell it on EBAY. Makes me sick.

If there was a Super Thanks button I would press it ten dozen times.

I would **** to have an new SHO in my driveway. I can't complain about the price though. Even if the gens 1-3 were sold again brand new for their original prices, I still wouldn't be able to afford any of them.
 

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I apologize if I came across as bashing the SHO. I am thrilled that they are bringing back the SHO badge. IMO SHO is the powertrain, I guess to sum up what would have been awesome if they could have made it the SHO Fusion. Smaller car where that badass engine could really shine because the car is smaller/lighter. Can still have all those same bells and whistles as far as luxury goes, but just a smaller package.

It reminds me of my other car, I own a 94 Lincoln Mark VIII that has a 32valve 4.6 v8 in it. That exact same motor in a N/A mustang cobra shines so much more.

Don't get me wrong, its HUGE that Ford brought back the SHO. I am also as proud as can be to work for FoMoCo. I can afford a new SHO however, I will not be buying one. The SHO that is coming to our dealership is the car that I ordered, but I am not the one buying it.
 

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I was told at THE plant last week the 3.5 will NOT fit in the Fusion. I'm sure someday, someone will, I just want to make that clear.
A SHO is a SHO to me, it doesn't need a Yamaha motor or stick etc.
I'm sure Kirk will have it up to 500hp but then he'll find the next weak link (trans)
I'm sure Kirk will have a great break upgrade soon
I'm not in a position to buy a new SHO right now but am considering the Fusion Sport, Fiesta, but especialy the Focus RS comming 2010, like 305 hp.
 

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I guess to sum up what would have been awesome if they could have made it the SHO Fusion.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that the idea of both a SHO Taurus and a SHO Fusion has been mentioned directly to Alan Mulally :)

Keep SVT the performance monkier for the two door models, and make SHO the performance monkier for the four door cars.
 
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