X2J vs. B9B with SCT chip...

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I'm getting my car ready to get my car dyno tuned with an SCT chip(Oct 4th) and I have almost everything I need. I remember discussions about the X2J being easier or better to tune than the gen1 B9B. I ran a search and the I came to the conclusion that when using the Tweecer, X2J is the PCM you want. I could not really find a whole lot on SCT tuning in this regard. Would it be a good Idea to find an X2J before I get my car tuned? Is it a direct swap? Any SCT tuners out there?

Thanks guys.:wave:
 
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I was quoted $350 for an estimate of 3.5 hours for a base, low boost tune and a methanol tune with more boost.

Anyone have an idea of what I should expect to pay for an X2J?
 

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SHo Source has them on their website. You could try Ray at Midnight Auto and RCM automotive for other price options.
 
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Nik, I'm hoping to make a j/y run this week (need some fuel tank parts) and I'll keep my eyes open for a GII SHO with an X2J. Since I only really need to find a G2 Taurus of any flavor, I'll not likely be hitting a lot of yards.
 

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Eric,

What parts do you need?

Nick, I'll see if I have an X2J.

Tom

I need:

The fasteners for each end of the tank straps.
A filler neck and associated hoses.
Potentially another pump/fitting/lid assembly (both that I got from you have problems).

An X2J for Nik (just so I don't hijack his thread too badly).

;)
 

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Tom, Eric, thanks guys. I spoke to Paul and he said there aren't many SHOs around at the yards but I don't really know where he went.

Consensus: I should go with X2J...
 

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Eric,

If you're talking about the little steel roll pins they use, I have those, and the bolts for the other end of the straps also. I have other fuel pumps ,but no filler necks.

Tom
 

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Eric,

If you're talking about the little steel roll pins they use, I have those, and the bolts for the other end of the straps also. I have other fuel pumps ,but no filler necks.

Tom

Cool. I have a new fuel pump on order, I'd like to try to get another assembly that it goes in. The filler neck is the main thing, though.

I think Wednesday is still half-price day at Pick-n-Pull in Chandler, so I'm planning to go then.
 

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Eric, I have lots of old pumps.

Thanks. I've got the one that just came out as a spare, but wanted to get a new one for the new install...just to minimize the likelihood of having to get back in there any time soon once it's all together.

Looks like I've got a filler neck coming in the mail, so I'll give you a buzz at some point to go through the strap fasteners.

Still gotta sort out cobbling together the pump/sender/etc. assembly, tho...
 

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The tweecer essentially changes your computer to whatever ECU you want, in most cases, the X2J.
Plug a tweecer into your B9B, tune using the x2j.dat, and your computer will function like an X2J as long as the tweecer is plugged in.
This is the function that the original LPMs had. They could override an older ECU, and turn it into and X2J. A single LPM could be tuned, and work with any ECU.
Ford sued the people involved and won, but the courts decided that even though the ECU operating code is property of Ford, the actual calibration information was free to be changed by anyone.
After that, the LPMs had to be programmed with calibration only, specific to which ever ECU you had. At this point a LPM written for a B9B would not work on an X2J, etc. The ability to override the ECU code, and make one chip for any ECU was gone.

Today, tweecer has the ability that the first LPMs had, so as long as you are using tweecer, it should not matter which ECU.


EDIT: I don't know much about the SCT chip setup, but if the SCT does both calibration AND ECU code like the tweecer, and like the first LPMs, you should be set.
 
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FWIW I have HEARD (this means I don't know how true it is) that the x2j is a faster processor and is the better computer to have.
 

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FWIW I have HEARD (this means I don't know how true it is) that the x2j is a faster processor and is the better computer to have.

Not sure how true that is. From what I have heard and seen, all EEC4s for SHOs are pretty much physically the same. The only difference is the operating code in the ROM.
 

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I thought they might have used different chips (maybe intel vs motorola or something?). That's just rattling upstairs from many years ago. Could be mistaken.
 

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What are the different V6 PCMs? I know there is a difference in clock speed between the mtx and atx based on the MAF calibration numbers. My software does not give the actual clock speed though.
 

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Yes. I don't have the LOS. The B9B and B9B1 are the same PCM, different minor revision.

The B9B series has a more aggressive spark than the XJ2 at lower load/rpm but less aggressive at higher load/rpm. Same KS logic parameters.

Some injector delay differences between the two too.
 
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