Racer001
New Member
I'm new to the taurus sho deal. What is the 60k and what does it entail?
What is the 60k?
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Lots & lots of parts & $$$
Seriously it is pretty envolved & most ford dealerships don't know that it isn't just a tune up. It is a good topic to do a search on but Fredhurderjrs website also gives a good definition I believe. Also the home page of the forum www.shoforum.com has the checklist. Others will reinforce my explanation but I am need of it & have the waterpump & timing belt yet to purchase.
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~Adam Varney~ mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>
1993 RED ATX(3 replacements) W/shiftkit, K&N panel filter, 17" Konig Reigns, 245/45/17 Goodyear F1 Gs, 26mm ASB w/poly bushings.
Not yet installed: 24mm ASB, Shoshop CAI, 70mm MAF, all 60K service items, & rest of the poly bushings. My SHO is SLOW & desperately needs some help. Hopefully 60K does the job.
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~Adam Varney~ mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>
1993 RED ATX(3 replacements) W/shiftkit, K&N panel filter, 17" Konig Reigns, 245/45/17 Goodyear F1 Gs, 26mm ASB w/poly bushings.
Not yet installed: 24mm ASB, Shoshop CAI, 70mm MAF, all 60K service items, & rest of the poly bushings. My SHO is SLOW & desperately needs some help. Hopefully 60K does the job.
Racer001
New Member
well, what have you bought so far?
Hendrix
New Member
Look at the listings on the SHO shop page for other shops. I drove 3 hrs to a shop in Atlanta GA listed on the SHO Shop page called Ford Performance Specialists and it was worth the drive and then some. People now only knowing what my car is but knowing more about it than I do.
If you need to get one done that is.
Also i managed to not get the CPS repalced it is a personal choice but my water pump wasn't too bad and I had the water pump replaced so it should be fine (fingers crossed)
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If you need to get one done that is.
Also i managed to not get the CPS repalced it is a personal choice but my water pump wasn't too bad and I had the water pump replaced so it should be fine (fingers crossed)
[This message has been edited by Hendrix (edited 10-25-2001).]
RStalveyARFF
too many shos
the 60k is a tune up that is SHO specific that should be done every 60k miles. On a MTX this entails replacement of the waterpump, timing belt and accessory belts, crankshaft position sensor, pulling of the intake, replacement of plugs and wires, and pulling the valve covers off and replacing the shims that contact the camshaft and press down on the valvesprings. These have a certain range of thickness that they should be in, and should be replaced to regain the thickness specified. For an ATX, it's all of the above except the timing belt is good till 100k. For 30 bucks I'd replace it during the 60k anyway. It's a very expensive and time consuming job, but your car will thank you for it after.
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Erik
15.57 @ 93.23 and 15.58 @ 92.73
White 91 Bought 5/12/01 128.5k
Mods:
Borla Catback custom bent by Lou's Custom, Cold Air Induction, Clutch, PP, TOB, Pin just replaced, DIN sized switch panel (replaced cup/coin holder), Fog Light Mod w/ 100w driving lights, Lettering filled in: Black, Nokya 80/100w blue beam headlights(Thanks SHOTIME), Painted calipers: Red, Painted intake: White tanks/Black runners, PermaCool dual 12" Electric Fans, Police Grille, Police Interceptor Emblem, Resonator Removed(not by choice!), SHO-NUT Reinforced F & R Motor Mounts, Shortened Shifter, Superchips Module(thanks SHOTIME), Tint @ 35%
Every Possible Option =)
Go Fast With Class
AIM:SkiSalomon & SHOmetheSpeed
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Erik
15.57 @ 93.23 and 15.58 @ 92.73
White 91 Bought 5/12/01 128.5k
Mods:
Borla Catback custom bent by Lou's Custom, Cold Air Induction, Clutch, PP, TOB, Pin just replaced, DIN sized switch panel (replaced cup/coin holder), Fog Light Mod w/ 100w driving lights, Lettering filled in: Black, Nokya 80/100w blue beam headlights(Thanks SHOTIME), Painted calipers: Red, Painted intake: White tanks/Black runners, PermaCool dual 12" Electric Fans, Police Grille, Police Interceptor Emblem, Resonator Removed(not by choice!), SHO-NUT Reinforced F & R Motor Mounts, Shortened Shifter, Superchips Module(thanks SHOTIME), Tint @ 35%
Every Possible Option =)
Go Fast With Class
AIM:SkiSalomon & SHOmetheSpeed
fredhurderjr
New Member
FPS gets clients that drive in from as far as NY. Doug Lewis knows his stuff. I've only talked with him on the phone, but A-1 shop in my book. If I remember correctly, one other of our members 1fastSHO (Shawn Pasley) came from FPS before opening up his own shop. That's a great entry on the resume in my book.
sdpatt
Sr. SHO Engr.
The 60K story, unabridged.
FOREWARD: Do you have an automatic or manual transmission? It makes a difference of 40,000 miles on the frequency of the front end engine work (timing belt).
THE STORY:
CHAPTER ONE: THE TOP END
The 60K, as it is known, is a preventative maintenance activity to ensure that the SHO engine lives a long and powerful life. The Yamaha heads have a direct acting mechanical bucket (DAMB, Ford's words, not mine) valve train that requires periodic adjustment to keep the gap between the cam lobe and the shim mounted on the tappet at the optimal spacing for maximum performance and engine longevity. Wear of the shims and metal creep of the heads themselves conspire to change the gaps over time. Too large and the lobes impact the shims hard enough to cause accelerated wear and maybe damage to the cam lobes. Too small and the different rates of thermal expansion may cause the valve not to seat completely and allow hot exhaust gasses to erode the valve seating area. This would require an old fashioned valve job, with the heads removed, to correct.
The double platinum spark plugs also were designed for a 60,000 mile lifetime and are scheduled to be replaced every 60K. The use of "standard" single platinum plugs will have you changing them at much more frequent intervals.
Those two services constitute the basis for the upper engine portion of the 60K. At longer intervals (usually 120,000 miles) or when necessary due to their failure, other wearable components are replaced as necessary. These include the valve cover seals and the spark plug well seals. These respectively keep the oil off the exterior of the engine and out of the spark plug wells where it can look bad or cause spark leaks.
Also along those spark leakage lines, the spark plug wires are usually good for about 120,000 miles before the heat under the hood and age deteriorate their inslation. The idle air bypass valve (IAB) is also easily accessed for cleaning when the intake is removed. A thorough cleaning of the intake's internal and external surfaces is also a good thing to take care of at this time.
CHAPTER TWO: THE FRONT END
The front of the engine (timing belt end) is where there is a service interval difference between the manual transaxle (MTX) and automatic transaxle (ATX) SHOs. The 60K interval applies only to the MTX's 3.0L engine. Due to the manually set tensioners for the timing belt and the accessory belts, the MTX requires that these belts be changed every 60,000 miles. The superior gas piston tensioners on the newer designed ATX's 3.2L engine allow 100,000 miles between replacements.
The required front end services during the 60/100K maintenances on the MTX and ATX SHOs are the timing belt replacement and the accessory belt replacement. There are a few other parts that are accessible only while the timing belt has been removed so it is during this service that these parts are also attended to.
You don't need to replace these other parts unless they fail, but most of the same engine disassembly as required to get to the timing belt is required for all of them. These other parts are the water pump, the crankshaft position sensor (CPS) and the front main crankshaft oil seal. With the 60,000 mile service interval of the MTX, it can be decided to schedule these additional replacements every other 60K service, or every 120,000 miles. With the longer 100,000 mile interval of the ATX, it is usually a prudent choice to replace them each at timing belt change.
CONCLUSION
The 60/100K services are preventative maintenance activities that are intended to keep the rather high power density SHO engines running at their best for as long as possible. Failure to do the services per the maintenance schedule won't stop the car in its tracks, but it may slow you down and lessen your enjoyment of the car. You will find that many SHOs have changed hands when the 60/100K service interval comes due just because the owners don't want to deal with the complexity or the expense of it. This is one of the details that makes the SHO owners a tighter knit group. Few shops know what the SHO is. Even fewer know what the 60K really means. It is not a tune-up. It is a new lease on life.
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Scott
1991, 252K miles, glass hood, police grill, SVO shifter, Catz fogs,
K&N, 73mm MAF, Superchip, PP Y-pipe, Borla cat-back, 190 lph pump
Eibach/Tokico/polyurethane, SHO Shop front & rear strut braces,
16x7.5" Moda R1, 225/55ZR16 Bridgestone RE730, -1 deg camber x 4,
Class II hitch, Silver award at the SHOklahoma Car Show
[This message has been edited by sdpatt (edited 10-26-2001).]
FOREWARD: Do you have an automatic or manual transmission? It makes a difference of 40,000 miles on the frequency of the front end engine work (timing belt).
THE STORY:
CHAPTER ONE: THE TOP END
The 60K, as it is known, is a preventative maintenance activity to ensure that the SHO engine lives a long and powerful life. The Yamaha heads have a direct acting mechanical bucket (DAMB, Ford's words, not mine) valve train that requires periodic adjustment to keep the gap between the cam lobe and the shim mounted on the tappet at the optimal spacing for maximum performance and engine longevity. Wear of the shims and metal creep of the heads themselves conspire to change the gaps over time. Too large and the lobes impact the shims hard enough to cause accelerated wear and maybe damage to the cam lobes. Too small and the different rates of thermal expansion may cause the valve not to seat completely and allow hot exhaust gasses to erode the valve seating area. This would require an old fashioned valve job, with the heads removed, to correct.
The double platinum spark plugs also were designed for a 60,000 mile lifetime and are scheduled to be replaced every 60K. The use of "standard" single platinum plugs will have you changing them at much more frequent intervals.
Those two services constitute the basis for the upper engine portion of the 60K. At longer intervals (usually 120,000 miles) or when necessary due to their failure, other wearable components are replaced as necessary. These include the valve cover seals and the spark plug well seals. These respectively keep the oil off the exterior of the engine and out of the spark plug wells where it can look bad or cause spark leaks.
Also along those spark leakage lines, the spark plug wires are usually good for about 120,000 miles before the heat under the hood and age deteriorate their inslation. The idle air bypass valve (IAB) is also easily accessed for cleaning when the intake is removed. A thorough cleaning of the intake's internal and external surfaces is also a good thing to take care of at this time.
CHAPTER TWO: THE FRONT END
The front of the engine (timing belt end) is where there is a service interval difference between the manual transaxle (MTX) and automatic transaxle (ATX) SHOs. The 60K interval applies only to the MTX's 3.0L engine. Due to the manually set tensioners for the timing belt and the accessory belts, the MTX requires that these belts be changed every 60,000 miles. The superior gas piston tensioners on the newer designed ATX's 3.2L engine allow 100,000 miles between replacements.
The required front end services during the 60/100K maintenances on the MTX and ATX SHOs are the timing belt replacement and the accessory belt replacement. There are a few other parts that are accessible only while the timing belt has been removed so it is during this service that these parts are also attended to.
You don't need to replace these other parts unless they fail, but most of the same engine disassembly as required to get to the timing belt is required for all of them. These other parts are the water pump, the crankshaft position sensor (CPS) and the front main crankshaft oil seal. With the 60,000 mile service interval of the MTX, it can be decided to schedule these additional replacements every other 60K service, or every 120,000 miles. With the longer 100,000 mile interval of the ATX, it is usually a prudent choice to replace them each at timing belt change.
CONCLUSION
The 60/100K services are preventative maintenance activities that are intended to keep the rather high power density SHO engines running at their best for as long as possible. Failure to do the services per the maintenance schedule won't stop the car in its tracks, but it may slow you down and lessen your enjoyment of the car. You will find that many SHOs have changed hands when the 60/100K service interval comes due just because the owners don't want to deal with the complexity or the expense of it. This is one of the details that makes the SHO owners a tighter knit group. Few shops know what the SHO is. Even fewer know what the 60K really means. It is not a tune-up. It is a new lease on life.
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Scott
1991, 252K miles, glass hood, police grill, SVO shifter, Catz fogs,
K&N, 73mm MAF, Superchip, PP Y-pipe, Borla cat-back, 190 lph pump
Eibach/Tokico/polyurethane, SHO Shop front & rear strut braces,
16x7.5" Moda R1, 225/55ZR16 Bridgestone RE730, -1 deg camber x 4,
Class II hitch, Silver award at the SHOklahoma Car Show
[This message has been edited by sdpatt (edited 10-26-2001).]
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Jeremy Hohn
Guest
YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH, what HE said......
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Jeremy
1993 atx 122k miles
-PIAA headlamp bulbs (thanks Fratperformance)
-fish tanks installed
-fog lamp mod w/ blazer fog lamps
-6" 5% tint border on windshield
-black body filled lettering
-wclewis "powered by yamaha" badges
-Sho Shop Cold Air Induction Kit
-Lund blackouts front and back
-cincysho colgan half bra with "SHO" lettering
-KVR chrome cadmium plated rotors with carbon fiber pads
-Sho Shop cat back system with magnaflow chrome tips
-Performance Plus y-pipe
-TX personalized plates "SHO FUN"
-Shoshop underdrive pulleys
-Shoshop 80mm MAF
-60k completed by Sdpatt
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Jeremy
1993 atx 122k miles
-PIAA headlamp bulbs (thanks Fratperformance)
-fish tanks installed
-fog lamp mod w/ blazer fog lamps
-6" 5% tint border on windshield
-black body filled lettering
-wclewis "powered by yamaha" badges
-Sho Shop Cold Air Induction Kit
-Lund blackouts front and back
-cincysho colgan half bra with "SHO" lettering
-KVR chrome cadmium plated rotors with carbon fiber pads
-Sho Shop cat back system with magnaflow chrome tips
-Performance Plus y-pipe
-TX personalized plates "SHO FUN"
-Shoshop underdrive pulleys
-Shoshop 80mm MAF
-60k completed by Sdpatt
Racer001
New Member
oh man......maybe THATS why I got it for $500. Is it true that the sho motor is an interference motor? That means that when the timing belt snaps, the pistons repeatedly ram the valves until they either bend into a glob of metal, or pulverize, leaving the engine useless?
68style
New Member
No, in perfect condition the SHO is not an interference motor.
HOWEVER (that's a big however) the SHO is an interference motor when it's older due to carbon deposits and damage is likely to occur.
RStalveyARFF
too many shos
There is never enough carbon to make the SHO an interference engine. If there was, it would not fire, because it would interfere at all times. What is said on shotimes about the decarboning, though the procedure works, you'll never have the carbon destruction that is mentioned. I have 125k on my motor with my screwed up timing to prove it.
fredhurderjr
New Member
Erik -
I disagree. From what I've heard, severe carbon buildup is one thing that can lead to the V6 being an interference engine. One other is the use of non-stock (Stage) cam profiles, most notably the Stage 2 cams.
Remember that it's only an interference problem if the timing belt goes.
Also, Scott -
That was a GREAT writeup / explanation. Save it & post it in the How-To's!
[This message has been edited by fredhurderjr (edited 10-26-2001).]
I disagree. From what I've heard, severe carbon buildup is one thing that can lead to the V6 being an interference engine. One other is the use of non-stock (Stage) cam profiles, most notably the Stage 2 cams.
Remember that it's only an interference problem if the timing belt goes.
Also, Scott -
That was a GREAT writeup / explanation. Save it & post it in the How-To's!
[This message has been edited by fredhurderjr (edited 10-26-2001).]
quarterboy25
New Member
Can anybody give me a rough estimate on the cost of a 60000k for a '93 ATX?
Rob94
New Member
Ballpark figure if someone does it, say $1500 give or take.....correct me if I'm wrong Fred or Scott.
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White 94MTX
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White 94MTX
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TwiceSHOwn
New Member
Well PARTS are as follows
intake cleaner (3=5 cans) = $25
Valve cover gasket = $72 at autozone
spark plugs = 6x3.99= $25 ford parts network
valve adjustment tools and shims = $50 bucks for rental
ATX should have a coolant, power steering, and tranny flush too. Figure what 8 dollars a QT for that.
Thats it i would think less than 6 hours of shop time which is 6x75= 450 or so in labor + 3-400 in parts so like 800 or so...depending on where you are i think some SHO list people do it for 250 in labor what you need takes about a day i think.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Regards
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93 Silver ATX 57K
LPM
80MM MAF
Y Pipe
Eibach + Tokikos
Front and Rear STBs
Cold air snorkel
TCE SHO stopper brakes
Due for its 60K sigh...
intake cleaner (3=5 cans) = $25
Valve cover gasket = $72 at autozone
spark plugs = 6x3.99= $25 ford parts network
valve adjustment tools and shims = $50 bucks for rental
ATX should have a coolant, power steering, and tranny flush too. Figure what 8 dollars a QT for that.
Thats it i would think less than 6 hours of shop time which is 6x75= 450 or so in labor + 3-400 in parts so like 800 or so...depending on where you are i think some SHO list people do it for 250 in labor what you need takes about a day i think.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Regards
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93 Silver ATX 57K
LPM
80MM MAF
Y Pipe
Eibach + Tokikos
Front and Rear STBs
Cold air snorkel
TCE SHO stopper brakes
Due for its 60K sigh...
fredhurderjr
New Member
I have never seen the shims & tools kit for that. It's like $200 I think.
SLOSHO89
SHO Member
I've rented a shim set from SHO Nut twice. I bought the tools the first time I did it.
Tools were around $75.00 and the Shims were $50.00 + a $175.00 deposite.
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Oxford White '89 SHO
Slicers, SHO+ hood and spoiler, Met.-Red and Gold Intake.
Web Page www.geocities.com/web_page66/
JimN696
New Member
The cost is variable depending on what is done, where the work is performed and what the going rate of labor is in your part of the country. $1000 sounds about right if the timing belt is not changed at this point, if the water pump is going, which it usually is around 60K you might as well do the rest of the work including new timing belt cps and oil seal, because you have to remove all that stuff to change the pump. Then the price will escalate into the 1500+ dollar range. The results are worth the price. The engine will have new found power and smoothness.
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Red 94 ATX, all options, bone stock.
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Red 94 ATX, all options, bone stock.
TwiceSHOwn
New Member
Great write up Scott!!!
Here is my 60K list for a 93 ATX that i don't have to do the timing belt of but i am anyway. Also i am replacing just about any gasket i can get to in an effort to keep oil leaks to a minimium.
Flush ATX (12Q) redline = 84
Flush PSteering = free see above
Replace fuel filter = 9
New thermostat = 20
Flush coolant = 18
6 Double Plat plugs = 25
felpro gasket = 72
adjust shims + tools = 50
clean intake + IAM = 18
reman lifetime war water pump = 72
timing belt = 50
CPS = 50
front rear oil pan seals = 18
intake manifold gasket = 24
water pump supply o rings = 10
front crank seal = 7.5
front cam seal = 8
UD pulleys with new belts = 209
= ~800 or so plus a weekend of time (i hope)
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93 Silver ATX 57K
LPM
80MM MAF
Y Pipe
Eibach + Tokikos
Front and Rear STBs
Cold air snorkel
TCE SHO stopper brakes
Due for its 60K sigh...
Here is my 60K list for a 93 ATX that i don't have to do the timing belt of but i am anyway. Also i am replacing just about any gasket i can get to in an effort to keep oil leaks to a minimium.
Flush ATX (12Q) redline = 84
Flush PSteering = free see above
Replace fuel filter = 9
New thermostat = 20
Flush coolant = 18
6 Double Plat plugs = 25
felpro gasket = 72
adjust shims + tools = 50
clean intake + IAM = 18
reman lifetime war water pump = 72
timing belt = 50
CPS = 50
front rear oil pan seals = 18
intake manifold gasket = 24
water pump supply o rings = 10
front crank seal = 7.5
front cam seal = 8
UD pulleys with new belts = 209
= ~800 or so plus a weekend of time (i hope)
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93 Silver ATX 57K
LPM
80MM MAF
Y Pipe
Eibach + Tokikos
Front and Rear STBs
Cold air snorkel
TCE SHO stopper brakes
Due for its 60K sigh...
