Weird knocking sound coming from engine..Updated better video..

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azmattaz06

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First of all just so everyone know's this video make's the sound about 10 time's louder so it's not as bad as the video sound's ok.. And the sound happen's at around 1700 or 2000 RPM and while it's in gear it's just not as loud.. At the end of the video you can hear me put my car in gear.. Sound like something someone has herd? i'll get better video tomorrow.. Thank's..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmu2PISZCnQ

You can hear what im talking about at around 38 to 50 second's..

It's coming from around the pulley's and it look's like one of the pulley's might be shaking a bit but i might be wrong.. Also the sound goes away when the engine is above 2000 rpm and only kick's in around 1700-2000
 
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sounds like an exterior noise rattle or more than likely a rod knock. My rod knock sounded like that, but a little softer in noise.
 

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That sounds like rod knock or the pressure plate has let go of one of its straps. Is the engine shaking while it makes this noise? I would definitely get a stethescope all over that motor and locate the cause.

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No there's no motor shake and i think the sound is coming from around the pulley's does that help any?
 

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If your SHO has some miles on it... over 140K I'd change the rod bearing regardless. Especially if the noise is coming from the pulleys. I had the same problem and it was the rod bearings. Id put a screw driver on the pulleys and listen to make sure its not a bad pulley, but Id say its the bearings. You can get the bearings from RCM for around 70 dollars. It takes a good 6 hours to change them. If you do change them I'd mark the rod caps because they look almost identical to each other.
 

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Looks like it's time to get real familiar with your motor. Certainly don't drive it. First thing to do is take off the accy belts and see if it goes away. That is the best case scenario.

Next on the list is checking out the front of the engine. This entails removing the timing covers and having a look at the timing tensioner, idler, belt, crank gear and so on.

To do that, you must remove the crank pulley. That's where a lot of uninformed sho-owners stop. It can be a challenge sometimes but prepare yourself with a strap wrench(or 2), a 19MM impact socket and a good 1/2" breaker bar with a pipe over the end of it. You may need help. You may also try the starter bump method, which I'm sure you can look up on google...or even here.

If your crank bolt ends up coming off quite easily, you may have crank cancer, which is well documented here and elsewhere.

If the front of the engine checks out OK, get it all back together and make dang sure your crank bolt is tight. Use brake cleaner and a little brush to make sure the crank snout, bolt washer, and everything else is grease and dirt free. Beg or borrow a torque wrench and get that puppy to spec(you may also want to use loctite on the crank bolt washer, not the threads(just ONE drop in a place that will hold it on...to get the crank bolt off next time, use a little heat to melt the loctite..thats why you put it on the washer...so it will melt easily without over heating the bolt). {I'm sure someone will have a problem with that...oh well.}

Next up would be rod bearings. Are you noticing a flickering oil light at idle or any RPM? Does the RED OIL PRESSURE light come on before you start your car(it's supposed to)?

Before diving under the car to rip off the oilpan, get a tin coffee can and a steel rod(a 1/4 inch extension works) or a stethiscope and place it on various spots on the upper engine(leave the accessory belts off and only run it for 30 seconds or less per 15 minutes). To get the engine to idle at a higher RPM, you can place a dime in front of the throttle stop screw(or a feeler guage). Try to avoid adjusting that screw. You SHOULD be able to get a clear idea where the noise is coming from. If you can't pinpoint the noise, make your judgement call...it's either intake and valve covers or y-pipe and oilpan...the choice is yours, but the stethiscope will really help you choose.


BTW, you should do your rod bearings, either way. I definately heard a little rod rattle at start up...that may or may not be your noise, but if you want it to be a noise for sure, wait...

www.shophoenixproject.com is your friend for the procedures involved.
 

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My toes becomes crooked each time he opens the throttle , I wouldnt even get out of the driveway with that.
 

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No i don't get any light's when RPM is comin back down or any light's at all.. the sound goes completely away when you're driving but at or arounf 1700 RPM you can hear it sound's like a fan is touching plastic (Just trying to describe) honestly doesn't sound as bad as the video make's it out to be..
 

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Another thing is it sound's like it coming from the water pump or somewhere around there..
 

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It sounds more "hollow" than rod bearings to me, more likely that a pulley is rocking on the shaft and it resonates at 1700 rpm. I agree w/ the advice to pull off the accessory belt and see if it goes away, then the cam belt and check out especially the crank pulley.
 

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Sounds very hollow. Check the timing belt tensioner. The noise may be the rear bank of cams jumping under slack. Sounds very similar to mine: it started off just like yours, but over a short time would make noise at a greater range of rpms.
 

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The SHO only has one belt right? if so then duh thats the "accessory belt " but where would i loosen it to get it off? and if it's the only belt how long can i have the motor running for like that?
 

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If it's an auto there is one belt; if it's an MTX there are 2 belts.

Remove the battery (8mm & 10mm deep well 1/4" drive socket for the hold down)

ATX: Find the pulley that is spring loaded and rotate the armature away from the belt with force.

MTX: Use a 5mm allen wrench on a long extension and loosen the 2 tensioners. To fully remove the rear belt, you have to get that shock lookin' thing out of the way. unbolt it at the top with the 2 12mm nuts.
 

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Also.. When i remove the belt and let's just say the sound stops how can i figure out which pulley is making the sound?
 

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I just watched the video, and that is the same sound mine is making and it is the timing belt tensioner. Take your belt off (very simple, takes about 5 mins if it an ATX) then remove the crossover tube and the upper timing belt cover, then put the crossover tube back on and plug the dis back in. Start the motor and check your timing belt, it will flap up and down when at low rpm's and stop at higher rpm's. The sound will also be louder.
 

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