TWEECer or no?

[SuperHO]

I know, I know...everyone's gonna say yes, but first off, I wanna know why. I have no clue how to map fuel/air curves and all that crap. I've got a Superchip that Doug Lewis burned already in the car....can I used the TWEECer in conjunction with that, or does the TWEECer remap my existing ECU, thus making the chip ineffective?

moreover, what kind of power gains can I expect to get with mild bolt ons?

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

The chip would be useless. However, I do beleive that Tweecer offers a service to aquire the tune off of your chip to use it as a starting point to tune with the Tweecer.

The Tweecer doesnt create power. It does, however, give you the means of taking complete advantage of the mods you have. And in terms of tuning, and how to tune, EEC analyzer is a must-have IMO.

In the last few weeks of tuning, (with awesome help from another forum member ) my car has truely become a pleasure to drive. I honestly didnt know what power I was missing due to not being in tune. And I only have minor bolt-ons. It simply rips now, and Im not quite done.

So far it is the best (and most educational ) purchase Ive made for the SHO. Plus, I can pull the tweecer out (temporarily) to help diagnose other EECIV equiped vehicles.

 

[SuperHO]

So I'm assuming that even with the chip I've got that's burned for my car, a TWEECer would do a helluva lot more?

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Id assume so, but the different would be dependant upon how acurate the chip is. It might be close, but not as close as you can get it with the tweecer.

Plus, every time you add another mod, things change.

 

[SuperHO]

True, but considering my mod budget, I add mods once every two years or so....at least, that's the way I've been going thus far.


I guess what I'm wondering is will it be worthwhile to indulge myself on a new toy that A: I don't know how to work the damn thing, and I doubt my home computer's got the balls to back the software and B: I could just save a little more and drop some cams in and have Doug Lewis reflash the chip.

 

[frathouse87]

I'm also looking into a tweecer, but I'm in agreeance with 1 thing...

Is it self-explanitory to use and user-friendly? My main concern is that if I get it, I'm plug it in and see all these numbers and just be like...duhhhhhh...what's this do...brum, brum, brum, stall.

I am in no way experienced with this stuff

 

[HoustinoJillian]

what about a LPM? if yo uhave a LPM, and get it reprogrammed to match your mods, would it be as good of a tool as the tweecer? (only asking because i currently have a LPM thats needs to be programmed )

 

[SASHO91]

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Dam kenny.. that sig is toooo funny!!!!
i love it!!!!

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

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[yamahaSHO]

what about a LPM? if yo uhave a LPM, and get it reprogrammed to match your mods, would it be as good of a tool as the tweecer? (only asking because i currently have a LPM thats needs to be programmed )

No....

 

[HoustinoJillian]

hokay, can you explain how the tweecer's ability to tune on spot is better than the best settings preworked out for a set of mods? i mean, i expect there to be SOME difference but surely it can't be huge

 

[yamahaSHO]

Every car is different. The LPM is just a program that is blindly 'tuned' and from what I have seen from LPM's, they are not programmed very well. The TwEECer will allow you to view what your computer is doing and then you can make changes based on that. The ability to make a change on the spot when you notice something is not right is very handy when you have modifications. It is not some much the minor differences in cars for the LPM, but the fact that no one you have you LPM through will write you the program you need. If you tell them you need fuel, they'll just band aid it the wide open throttle fuel mutliplier vs adjusting the fuel slopes... etc...

In short, a blindly programmed LPM will not hold a candle to a TwEECer RT.

There are plenty of in-depth TwEECer threads that I suggest you look up and read.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Every motor is slightly different.
Every mod. is slightly different.
Shoot, even every sensor is slightly different.


Suddenly the difference is HUGE.

Example:

The pre-established MAF function for my Lincoln 80mm MAF was QUITE different than the actual "corrected" MAF function. This was "dialed in" using the TweecerRT and EEC analyzer. You cannot do this with a mail order chip.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Jason beat me to it. I type slow

 

[HoustinoJillian]

i stand corrected, thanks guys

 

[Axianator]

In short, a blindly programmed LPM will not hold a candle to a TwEECer RT.

Not only that, but the TwEECer's value will only continue to increase as, in the not-too-distant future, an upgrade patch is released that will further expand the existing parameter set, giving SHO-based TwEECer users access to more parameters, tables and functions than they have ever had access to. Provided all goes as planned, this access should equate to nearly every modifiable parameter that exists in the two V6 SHO strategies being available via the TwEECer software.

In addition to this upgrade patch, there is also coming a SHO-specific TwEECer tuning guide that should help give those who aren't comfortable or familiar with tuning their EEC a helpful step in the right direction.

I would like to note that for those who are either flatly-against or uncomfortable with tuning their own setup, one of Doug's new SCT chips should be able to get you most of the way there. They may not offer the real-time capability of a TwEECer; they do, however, offer a lot more accessibility than any LPM could and you will have Doug's tuning and customer service to back them up.

Either way, the options are just plain good now. It's your call.

 

[yamahaSHO]

Let me know when the patch is FINALLY out Adam

 

[SuperHO]

So.....to restate a previously asked question that I can't find an answer for......


If I, being the computer-******** person that I am, buy a TwEECer, is it going to kick my ***? Basically, is it user friendly for those of us who have EXTREMELY limited electronic understanding? I don't even know what the **** the difference in ohms in car audio is, except that if I drop to 2 ohms, the sub's louder and the amp gets hotter...something to do with resistance or something like that.


See what I mean?

 

[yamahaSHO]

I've been asked to reply to this so I'll do my best...

As long as you understand physically what needs to be done to the car (IE: fuel, timing, etc) then all it takes is learning the interface. To add to that, if you already understand the basics of what I said above, the interface is almost self explanatory (the main stuff needed to tune).

I first looked at the TwEECer and had a hard time picking where to start when tuning. I basically knew what the car needed, but was unsure of how I should go about it with the TwEECer. I was proficient enough in about a month or so to tune my car and go beat the crap out of it. The second time around (tuning for the blower), it took all of two tries to get the car to a safe tune to run the **** out of it. It is not completely tuned by any means (just running out of energy on these cars), but it's making 455 reliable horsepower (aside from the crankcase evac kit) and I have fun with it. Aside from the main seal squirting oil out, I was more comfortable with taking my blower SHO on a long road trip than my stock SHO.

If you give yourself some time, PATIENCE, and the willingness to read, you'll get it in no time and then you'll have people inquiring you about how to tune their car.

To help you understand you amp situation.... Think of it like this. Think of the coil on you speaker like a water pipe. If the pipe were 1" (we'll call this 4 ohms) in diameter and you try and push a given amount of water through it, you're fighting the resistance of the pipes (coil) ability to flow the water (power). If you open that pipe up to a 2" (2 ohms) diameter, you can now flow more water through there. Basically, you're making it easier for the amp to push power through the speaker's coils. In turn, the amp is running harder producing more power (making it run hotter and giving more power to the speaker to convert into sound electromagnetic/transducer).

Basically you're making it easier for the amp to push power through the coil.

 

[SuperHO]

ummmm....yeah!!!