Turbo MTX GEN 2 soon to be Twined.

[TT SHO PROJECT]

Hi all, im new here (duh) been following this site an sites like this for a while... i bought a 92 gimme a ticket red mtx last year... needed a clutch...

so, i replaced the clutch ($3K job... ouch.. damn ASE shop ***** me)... the shifters rod stabilizer broke shortly there after... so in the down time i got bored... had some parts laying around... and not much longer i have a self made twin turbo kit for it.... only running a single turbo for now since i lack the #2 turbo but the pipeing for the #2 is pretty much all done and waiting set aside for the 2nd turbo.... well heres some details on the "kit"

1. 3 feet of 3" pipe... 2 feet or so of 2.5inch pipe..and a short section of 2¼" pipe.. and one 90* 3" mandrel bend. oil lines ect ect...

2. 1 T3 turbo off a 86 thunderbird .60 a/r (if i recall)

3. 1 holley RED carbed fuel pump (ill explain in a bit)

4. a super loud BOV (x2c brand?)

5. 1 y-pipe from a v10 ford (not used part for my tt v10 stang swap) cut up for the bends and flanges (bigger pipeing than the stock sho y-pipe. nice mandrebest part.. it was free.)

6. rubber intake pipe from a 94 NA 2.0L talon (pos i know...) but fits perectly on the turbo and keeps the filter above ground and looks almost factory =)

7. 1 unknown brand aftermarkee con air filter with 3.5 inch opening.


ok now onto the explaining....

i placed the turbo(s) behind the bumper cover... so this is where the holley Red "fuel pump" comes into play... now i have been studeing the "sts" remote mount turbo kits.... the problem with running a turbo so low to the ground is you lack the gravity drain!! so my fix for that was to place the "fuel pump" right after the oil drain and it then pumps the oil back into the engine via a "******" (crank case vent?) in the front valve cover. (and yes so far this works!)

as for the lack of the 2nd turbo.... i just plan on running the rear bank thru the stock exhaust.. the #1 turbo will have the exhaust routed under the car to make a side exit for now till i (again....) get the 2nd turbo then i will fab up a 3" single turbo(s) back system for it... but till then the side exit 3 banger exhaust will do.

as for the twin turbo stage 2 upgrade... all that will be needed is a slight tweaking of the discharge pipe to add in the 2nd turbo and there we have it 500-600hp worth of turbos (250-320 for now) easy as pie to do. all fits behind the stock bumper cover (might of helped that i removed the ac crap) you look under the hood and see nothing sept a missing MAF and a funky cold air intake looking pipe to the trottle body ... hopefully ill get my hands on a digi cam and get some pics of it.


welll i think thats about it... tell me what you think... just thought everyone would find this an interesting approach at twin turboing a sho..

-Bob.

 

[PROPHET]

Dang you did get *****, i paid $300 for clutch and $300 for install.

Do you have any pictures of your turbo set-up?

Welcome to the forum, Bob.

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

Im working on getting my friend over here with his digi cam so i can get some pictures of it, its a b**** to get a hold of him so who knows how long it will take before i have pictures =( but ill try to get him over here asap so i can post pistures up here and probably on my site as well if i have time to work on the site.

-Bob.

Oh yeah one more thing... how would i post pictrures on here? i dont see a "add picture button" Thanks.

 

[Toolman]

You can send them to me and I will put them on my picturetrail site. Looking forward to pics.

So, the car is running? Any intercooling? And that fuel pump, it is rated for pumping oil?

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

sure thing will do and thanks toolman (btw your car is one that helped inspire me) yes the cars running... very loud do to no exhaust on the rear bank since i cant figure out how to get the manifold off to replace the exhaust studs.... but other than that yeah it runs and spools

no intercooling yet. id have to revamp the whole thing to do so... just gonna run as low boost as i can.

as for teh fuel pump... i doubt its rated to pump oil... but who cares its rated at something sick like 300gph if i recall... and it works sofar hehe... if it fails ill get a real oil pump like the one used on the sts remote mount turbo system... i tested the fuel pump pumping oil long before i put it on the car so it seems to be doing its job decently.. if it is too weak i might just get another holley red pump and use it as a "booster pump".. well once its on the road with time i will see if it holds up.

 

[PROPHET]

In order to post a pic you need to host them, www.photobucket.com is free and easy to use, once the pic is hosted you need to copy and paste the url address.

 

[SHOkid13]

yay!! another turbo freak!!

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

yay!! another turbo freak!!

Damn str8 lol... i try to put a turbo on anything and everything i own well.... except my sable truck-car.. dont think the vulcan block can take much power (250hp so i hear) so no point

-Bob

p.s. Boost is my Drug of choice!

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

I don't think you are getting much boost off of running a T3 turbo on one side of the engine (only 3 cylinders)... because.... the two end cylinders are both coming up at the same time, while the center one is going down. So basically you are running your turbo like this.. 2 clyinders, 1 cylinder, 2 cylinders, 1 cylinder... and so on. So there isn't going to be a consistant flow at ANY time while you are trying to boost.

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

well twins work on a sho motor so why wouldnt a single on one bank work? sure its gonna lag more than if all 6 was hitting... but it spools pretty quick when i just rev it.. im expecting boost to hit before the butterflys open. but this is all just an out of the box idea for a poor man who need some more power lol.

as soon as i get my hands on a 2nd t3 its going on as well... im not expecting the single t3 to boost performance by much at all... its only rated for about 250+ hp so ill gain 30 or so hp so i would think... but only trial and error will give results.. this is more of a test than anything since the turbo(s) is so far away from the engine (suboptimal) and are mounted below the oil level (this is to test my oil return system.)

well if it works it works if not then oh well it was still fun to build and its all in learning. but i think its gonna work since it pushs a nice amount of exhaust gas oout just one bank and i have seen the turbo spool up very quickly with just a rev, of course this doesnt really mean its gonna build boost. but we will see.

heres another question.... if twin turbos work on any other v6 (3000gt vr4, 300z, "inline 6" of the supra, 3.8L stangs...so on so forth) then why wouldnt it work on a sho motor? whats so diffrent? all of them are 3.0L 6 bangers(sept the stang.) all of them have 3 slugs per bank( kinda sorta for the supra.. still only 3 slugs driveing each turbo.) well i guess im done ranting for now. we will just have to wait and see if it works or not. so stay tuned! =P


-Bob

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

haha.. i wasn't trying to put your idea down or anything, so don't take it that way.. haha. We turbo'd ours and first we tried to do it off of one side, and it didn't work at all.. we even drove it for a couple of days like that, and we then did it off two sides.
check out the pics (if you haven't already, and this video). this was also the poor man's turbo set up ( under 100 bucks).
pics: http://photobucket.com/albums/b18/Turbo_sho/?sc=1

video: http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...C83R6B84TUV04BR

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

haha.. i wasn't trying to put your idea down or anything, so don't take it that way.. haha. We turbo'd ours and first we tried to do it off of one side, and it didn't work at all.. we even drove it for a couple of days like that, and we then did it off two sides.
check out the pics (if you haven't already, and this video). this was also the poor man's turbo set up ( under 100 bucks).
pics: http://photobucket.com/albums/b18/Turbo_sho/?sc=1

video: http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...C83R6B84TUV04BR

yeah welll im not taking offence to it. i just like to see for my self thats all.. if it dont work then i can always sell the turbo and get one with the .48 a/r hot side so it willl spool up better. well infact i have one sitting in my garage but its off a turbo dodge so its not gonna be big enough to run just one. or another option is to just add the 2nd up pipe and rout it into the 1st(makeing it a turbo y pipe) one so both banks are on that one turbo... easy enough to do if i really need too. again im not expecting much from this single turbo setup. just hoping on maxing out the injectors really =P.

-Bob

p.s. my setups around 200$ (75 for the turbo 69 for the bov and 31 for the silicone couplers and thats it ok so 175 smackers hehe.) not as cheap but the best i can do

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

yeah, The T3 turbo just seemed to big to run on the one side. hooking it up to both will make it awesome though. Or even if you get two smaller turbo's those will run off one side each (because of the size). That t3 just didn't seem to work well for us... but all the luck to you, man. Turbo sho's kick ***.

 

[MYSHO1]

damn... Mines running me about 1,500 so far, what are guy guys using for tuning? Fuel injectors?, Pump? MAF?

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

heres another question.... if twin turbos work on any other v6 (3000gt vr4, 300z, "inline 6" of the supra, 3.8L stangs...so on so forth) then why wouldnt it work on a sho motor? whats so diffrent? all of them are 3.0L 6 bangers(sept the stang.) all of them have 3 slugs per bank( kinda sorta for the supra.. still only 3 slugs driveing each turbo.) well i guess im done ranting for now. we will just have to wait and see if it works or not. so stay tuned! =P
-Bob

it would work with twin turbos (not one turbo off of one side, and the other side open manifold) because, you have opposed cylinders. Otherwise, you won't get the exhaust pressure to spool the turbo into boost because the firing order is cross cylinder. Example: take three spark plug wires off of one side of your motor and try to start it. That is how your turbo is going to run. I'm not saying that you won't won't be able to start it and drive it with the turbo hooked up... but it isn't going to spool and boost up the way you need it for performance. We just don't want you to waste your time trying, just go ahead and hook it to both sides and get optimum performance.

 

[Toolman]

All stock right now I think. Good vid btw NCSHO.

Stock components on the car (MAF, injectors) should be good for 300hp or so. You might want to up the fuel pump and get an FMU, but other than that, you can make it work. If you want to most out of your time though, the stock components will come up way short.

 

[MYSHO1]

Well then mine may be done faster and i will only run around 6PSI, all i need is the turbo its self and im ready to go!
BUt what the **** is the stock computer going to think?

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

nothing... we are running stock computer fine.

thanks, toolman... if you look at the pics, we have an fmu in the back against the firewall.

 

[Toolman]

As long as your MAF and injectors are stock, then it is going to read the extra airflow and be done. A turbo is simply a means of cramming more air into the engine. Same as if you got EH intake, BBB's, cams, TB, etc etc. But once you exceed the demands of the stock MAF and injectors, then you will have to change those, and then you will need some tuning device. Stock MAF, stock injectors, all good. But again, even 6psi will be pushing the limits. You can always force more fuel in by means of an FMU, but this is not the preferred way of doing things.

TT, keep us updated of your progress.

 

[TT SHO PROJECT]

All stock right now I think. Good vid btw NCSHO.

Stock components on the car (MAF, injectors) should be good for 300hp or so. You might want to up the fuel pump and get an FMU, but other than that, you can make it work. If you want to most out of your time though, the stock components will come up way short.

yep all bone stock to start minus an fmu im useing and i have a 255lph fuel pump i can swap out of my v10 stang (since is not done yet so no need for fuel to a car i aint driving ) and 300hp is my goal for a single turbo but i really want to get 400 out of her with the twins if i can (with a good fuel system of course) really the more power the better since im used to driveing 400+ hp cars this 220hp stuff aint cutting it. =)