Because if somebody actually wanted to take the hard road of N/A there is a patent that clearly states if you use these design principles that you will have additional torque peaks after 4800 rpm. You can not deny the claim because surely they would not create a patent if it didn't work.
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Because if somebody actually wanted to take the hard road of N/A there is a patent that clearly states if you use these design principles that you will have additional torque peaks after 4800 rpm. You can not deny the claim because surely they would not create a patent if it didn't work.
Yes, if you refer to the patent reading, the last summary section, it talks about if you had clever control of all valves. You could open and close certain valves at different stages in the rpm band to give the best plateau torque curve.
Example if the new valves are closed and the stock runner valves closed, you get torque peak one at 2800. If you open new valves and keep runner valves closed you get new second torque peak somewhere between 2800 and 4000 rpm. At 4000 rpm you close new valves again and open runner valves and get 4800 rpm torque peak. After 4800 rpm there will be a good time to open new valves, which means all valves open, and you will get another torque peak somewhere between 4800 rpm and redline.
Refer patent link above with the graphs, Fig 8 is exactly what I just described.
I know, I suck at drawing.
Would this be an easier way to do it, in terms of tuning?
It would probably work, but is still too long of a path and would hinder performance. Refer to my drawing, the air path is even shorter than the stock Y area all the way to air box. This shorter length affects tuning of the original runners and changes there torque peaks to the right.
+ I could build a intake like this easy. I really don't think it would be hard at all with aftermarket parts that are available. Your talking about at least a $500.00 endeavor if not more, and now its time for turbo guys to chime in lol.
We know there answer... For a N/A class this might be the meal ticket.
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i read the whole thing plus the comment below... nothing was as you mentioned...
reguardless im done talking to you about it... thanks for the time.
i like the way you think basicly you had a tig welder and some intake parts around to make this work tuning would be easy... like i said before i have a SHO running on the MS (megasquirt) using MAP sensor which you could put anywhere there is vacuum, i am not using nor would i dream using the MAF sensor again.
heck with the MS you could control several different butterflies, i have one of my spare ports on the MS running the butterflies now and only takes 1 wire and 5 seconds of settings and the neat part is you can trigger it under any different condition if you want coolant temp or rpm or kpa (manifold pressure) stuff like that.
what im getting at is controlling another set of butterflies would be easy if you knew what you would use to open them
i mean i gotta fine tune it and all that happy stuff to get the most power out of it but im gonna have someone drive the car for me friday so i can tune the fuel maps while hes driving, right now i got lean under accel and rich under decel and the car feels strong believe it or not...
now i would need to dyno tune spark to get max out but its a parts car and im just playing with it so no need to waste the money.
back to the intake design. im all for the idea dont listen to the others, yeah F/I is easy but wheres the fun and pride in making something like this work?
if F/I was the only awnser we never would have people using ITBs, super high lift cams, crazy compression ratios etc..
from what it looks like im gonna make it black and white here but seems like you could just get your hands on some honda style intakes like you mentioned a tig welder and a tuning device..
im gonna be watching this thread close...
and to think i was trying to find reasons to get on this forum anymore....
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anyone mind telling me how i pick ignore?
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I really don't think you understand how ignorant you are being. I've already told you that this is speculation and exactly what mine was. You have absolutely no proof that the original 3L motor made [a measly] 300hp but you fight for it as if it were the truth. It's been proven that you can make power with the motor, but that's with just about any motor with some strength and durability.
BTW, Spanish people didn't exist in the 80's..... If they did, they'd probably be easier to understand in written form.
Seriously d00d, open your eyes. t3h 3nt3rt3tz rn't fer j00. Go to my user profile and you can select it from there.
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Comon guys, there is no need to start a fight. Gmail is experiencing megasquirt as we speak and YamahaSHO has excellent tuning knowledge. You two should be working together. Personally I really had no intentions of building this intake unless there was interest, but I wouldn't mind a Co-Op build.
The megasquirt would be the best tool for this intake. I would just use extra SHO vacuum control units to control the additional valves. We would only need one extra output channel. The best control would be to open and close valves throughout the rpm band, but a crude RPM activated switch could do the job and at least give us the big end.
So, anybody interested in a joint venture?
The megasquirt would be the best tool for this intake. I would just use extra SHO vacuum control units to control the additional valves. We would only need one extra output channel. The best control would be to open and close valves throughout the rpm band, but a crude RPM activated switch could do the job and at least give us the big end.
So, anybody interested in a joint venture?
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i would be interested in helping out in some way..
like i said the megasquirt would be able to control the intake without any add ons or anything you could set it how you like with multi conditions if it suits your needs..
heres the things MO isnt exactly my back door so im not sure what to expect out of this experiment
like i said the megasquirt would be able to control the intake without any add ons or anything you could set it how you like with multi conditions if it suits your needs..
heres the things MO isnt exactly my back door so im not sure what to expect out of this experiment
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