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SinisterSHO

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I briefly searched but didn't see anything really about r-compounds.

I'm going to be needing a new set this year. And while I really like the Hoosier R6's, I really dont like the $1000 per set. Looking at Tire Rack, they have the Kuhmo V700 Victoracers and V710s. I know people have run both, but just looking for more opinions. Also, anyone have any experience with the Hankook Z214?

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I briefly searched but didn't see anything really about r-compounds.

I'm going to be needing a new set this year. And while I really like the Hoosier R6's, I really dont like the $1000 per set. Looking at Tire Rack, they have the Kuhmo V700 Victoracers and V710s. I know people have run both, but just looking for more opinions. Also, anyone have any experience with the Hankook Z214?

:thankyou:

A newer, and more cheaper option is the Hankook Ventus Z214. You would want that in the Medium C51 road race compound. Reviews have been great, with some people swearing up and down they are as quick, or at least very close to the Hoosiers performance (In reality, what is tho?). I have them in the C71 Auto-X Compound and they stick incredibly well and hold up to heat VERY well without getting greasy. They should also last a lot longer then the Hoosiers or V710's.

Take a good look at them and read the reviews. The price is VERY nice for the amount of tire you get.

-Sam
 
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I think I'm going with BFG R1's for my next set.
 

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here's the speed order:

C91 > A6 > C71 > R6 > C51

the kicker is the Z214's really last, they wear much better than Hoosiers

The V700 is a really old tire, but not bad. The V710 is faster but will wear quicker. It would be between the R6 and the A6 in speed, but last (more usable heat cycles) better than both
 

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So mark, the C71 (which is billed as an auto-x tire correct?) will outlast and is faster than the R6?

That's what I'm wondering. Auto-X guys have been reporting Multiple seasons on them, I'm curious how this would translate to a running them for a few HPDE's. I know that the C71 and the C91 would make a GREAT time trial tire. This would work out great for me, as I already have the C71's.

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So mark, the C71 (which is billed as an auto-x tire correct?) will outlast and is faster than the R6?

yes. honestly the R6 is sort of a "bastard" tire. in reality, it doesn't really last that much longer than the A6, and the A6 is significantly faster. if just doing DE stuff, I'd run a 710 or a C71 or C51 (I will say I don't have any direct experience with the C51) or nitto RII. when you are paying for your own tires and not after every last second, it's a different ball game.

The C91 is *the* time trial tire. It is faster than the A6 and lasts much longer. If Hankook offered a tire contingency program like Hoosier within NASA, it would be a heck of a tire war. The Hoosier contigency is so good though, the A6 is really the defacto TT tire (and race tire for that matter).

The SHO is going to narl up front tires pretty bad anyway, I'm not sure anybody really makes a R comp for the SHO that will "last" :)

I have a set of 275 C91's in the basement that just got sold :frown:
 

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Well, I have two sets, one of victoracers and one of R6's (actually 6 R6's) that I have to go through before I think about any more tires.

I will for sure check into the Hankook stuff. Thanks!
 

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Well, I will say that running the C71's (275/40/17 Front & 245/40/17 Rear) on the SHO at a fast Auto-X course in unreal. I guess I'll find when I get back how well they do the road course. Thanks for the information mark.

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yes. honestly the R6 is sort of a "bastard" tire. in reality, it doesn't really last that much longer than the A6, and the A6 is significantly faster. if just doing DE stuff, I'd run a 710 or a C71 or C51 (I will say I don't have any direct experience with the C51) or nitto RII. when you are paying for your own tires and not after every last second, it's a different ball game.

The C91 is *the* time trial tire. It is faster than the A6 and lasts much longer. If Hankook offered a tire contingency program like Hoosier within NASA, it would be a heck of a tire war. The Hoosier contigency is so good though, the A6 is really the defacto TT tire (and race tire for that matter).

The SHO is going to narl up front tires pretty bad anyway, I'm not sure anybody really makes a R comp for the SHO that will "last" :)

I have a set of 275 C91's in the basement that just got sold :frown:

Maybe there's some environmental dependence, but hardly anybody here (in TT or race) runs Hankooks for some reason. Several do, but these days there's mostly a mix of Hoosiers (for the contingency), Nitto NT-01s (because they're cheap and they last a long time and they're decent), and non-DOTs. The non-DOTs are sort of getting popular with the $$ crowd because they're just so blisteringly fast if you can afford them.

The Hoosiers used to be the go-to tire here and nearly anybody who was competitive was on them. Since the contingency program got a little less generous more people have moved to the Nittos just for budget reasons.

If the OP just wants a good R-comp for DE days, Time Attack, maybe some TT sessions, etc., the Nittos are not a bad choice for bang for the buck. Some of the low treadwear street tires are getting attractive, too, like the Star Specs, RS-3s, etc., etc.

The tire landscape is constantly changing and it's sometimes hard to keep up with where the tides are flowing.

FWIW, I'd get around 14-18 heat cycles out of a set of Hoosiers on the Pumpkin before they'd cord the edges. Usually there was still decent tread left in the middle and if I'd flipped them on the rims they'd probably have lasted a bit longer. I had what is evidently unusual experience in that they'd be fast for about 5-6 heat cycles, drop off for a while, and then come back at about 14 heat cycles and be fast again (just before I corded an edge). I had a fastest personal lap at Nationals and set a local track record on two different sets of R6s that had 15 and 14 heat cycles, respectively.

I just said that to say that it seems like people's experiences with Hoosiers depend a lot on how they're used. They're sensitive to how they're driven, stored, heat cycled, etc., etc., apparently more so than many others. Nittos and Toyos are tough, you can abuse the crap out of them and they're always very predictable.
 

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here's the speed order:

C91 > A6 > C71 > R6 > C51

the kicker is the Z214's really last, they wear much better than Hoosiers

The V700 is a really old tire, but not bad. The V710 is faster but will wear quicker. It would be between the R6 and the A6 in speed, but last (more usable heat cycles) better than both



Please tell me you are going tyo the convention this year!!!!
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By driver coach, you mean driving me car?


But on the topic of tires. I really dont think I will need to buy a full set this year. The R6's I have only had one or two days on them when I got them. I've run them at 3 events myself now and I can still see the radial lines on all of them.
 

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:rofl: but I wanna feel how fast my car could very with a more experienced driver, especially at VIR.
 

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Well, after visiting the NASAForums, I guess I'm going to have to get 18" track wheels.

I have been debating if I want to buy 20" staggered TSW Nurburgrings for the V and use my stock 19s for track wheels. Cheap wheels, and I can get Hankook Ventus V12 evo in 20" size for about $700. But if I have to buy new 19" track tires? That's another $1200, at least.

So I may need to just get the Nurburgrings in 18" and buy used track tires for cheap. Then, I'd just need to get a couple front PS2s...
 

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