Surging Idle, code 214, and more

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The car has been occasionally hard starting for a few weeks now, never when cold, but always cranks hard. The idle, when cold has been oscillating between 1500-500 rpms when cold and would occasionally die if I let it.

Three weeks ago on two separate occasions, the car bucked violently just once, a couple of days apart. It was very quick, like stomping on the accelerator really hard and letting off instantly. Both times the engine was warm and I was just cruising at part throttle. The next time this occurred, the bucking would not stop and the CEL came on. I had to pull over, turn off the engine and restart. It would not start on the first try, can't remember if the tach worked or not, but it started on the second try, though the tach was late to indicate rpms. I drove the car the rest of the way home with no problems.

I pulled the codes the next morning and got a whole slew of them, can't remember them all and I lost the paper I wrote them down on, but 214 was the most significant. So I checked for bad grounds and my battery cables were not tight, though there was no corrosion. I reset the codes, and drove it for a while - bought a code reader so I didn't have to count flashes while my wife called me on my phone - and didn't have any significant codes.

I checked the codes again after a few more cycles and 214 showed back up. So I replaced the camshaft position sensor, while I was at it, I removed the rear engine dampener assembly, and also noticed that the rear MM is broken (I'll attach a picture). The MM has probably been like this for a while because there is a noticeable clunk in the drivetrain that I've been trying to locate for a while. I also cleaned the idle control valve.

The most troubling part is that the UDP appeared to be wobbling, so I check the runout on it - 0.016" total. This seems like a lot, and visually it was worse than before. The Crank bolt was still well torqued, but I originally replace the harmonic dampener with the UDP because I notice it was wobbling. I'm concerned about crank cancer, and if the 214 code could be caused by a bad pick up on the CPS.

The car starts better, but the idle still oscillates. I'm going to reset the codes and idle, then see what happens. If the consensus about the UDP runout is that it's too much, then I'll pull it and inspect the keyway.

Are all these issues related, or some of them?

Everything is about 35k miles old when I did the 3.2 swap and rebuilt the engine. I don't have a LPM or aftermarket MAF. The car has been beat on at the track pretty hard. It has broken straps on the pressure plate from the accelerator getting stuck under the floor mat, causing the engine to be off balance until it could be replaced approximately 100 miles later.
 

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surging idle is nearly always a iac sticking issue. I have had brand new ones stick, so just 'cause its not old doesn't make it good.

the crank sensor will not cause a 214 code.

when you replaced the harmonic dampener, was the key in good condition?
 

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The idle only surges when cold. I did delete the byepass hoses to the throttle body, but don't remember it being an issue before.

The key was in good condition.

I also noticed the DIS was cracked at the rear connector, but only as deep as the connector.
 

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I also noticed the DIS was cracked at the rear connector, but only as deep as the connector.

This is most likely your issue. The connector is loose, and at least one pin is losing contact every once in a while. Put a couple zip ties around the connector to keep it fully seated.

I'd plan on replacing both motor mounts, as they are the reason your DIS is cracked. The engine is moving around under the hood, allowing the DIS to contact the bracket on the strut tower.

Idle problems are probably related to the IAC as stated.
 

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if its cold enough, and damp enough, the idle issue could be related to the lack of throttle body warming. if its near 100% humidity, and below ~44*, you can get throttle plate icing, which screws up the idle.
 

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This is most likely your issue. The connector is loose, and at least one pin is losing contact every once in a while. Put a couple zip ties around the connector to keep it fully seated.

I'd plan on replacing both motor mounts, as they are the reason your DIS is cracked. The engine is moving around under the hood, allowing the DIS to contact the bracket on the strut tower.

Idle problems are probably related to the IAC as stated.

I'll zip tie the DIS. Could this have thrown the 214 code? Planning on replacing or repairing the rear MM. They were old reinforced mounts, kinda surprised it broke. The bracket is gone now for this reason. I'll swap out the IAC with another one I have laying around, can't remember which is supposed to be the better kind.
 
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if its cold enough, and damp enough, the idle issue could be related to the lack of throttle body warming. if its near 100% humidity, and below ~44*, you can get throttle plate icing, which screws up the idle.

That pretty much sums up every day here this time of year.
 

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It's definitely possible that it caused the 214. I had an issue this summer when I forgot to tighten one of the crossover tube bracket bolts after working on the car. Those bolts are part of the DIS ground path, and when I left one only finger tight, the engine light started flashing and I got codes 214 and 211.
 

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It hasn't thrown a code sense I replaced the camshaft position sensor.

Anyone have any ideas about the runout on the UDP?
 
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.016 sounds excessive to me. If you bought it from SHOSource, perhaps they could lend a hand in what the runout should be?
 

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runout should not be more than .005"
 

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Update

Turns out the surging idle was caused by the Throttle Position Sensor. After cleaning, then replacing the IAB with one I had laying around and resetting the idle, checking for vacuum leaks, I found that it idled fine until I bumped the throttle, then it started surging again. Replace the TPS, good as new.

It actually did throw another 214 code after replacing the CPS so I replaced the DIS (that's the benefit of having had a spun rod bearing and doing a 3.2 swap - all the sensors laying around) and the rear motor mount, no more bucking or codes, and clutch engagement is normal again.

I also replaced the UDP with the newer style shosource UDP, it has a larger mating surface. My keyway and crank sensor were fine. After micing the crankshaft, it turns out that the end of the shaft has a little variation in the diameter from surface corrosion near the nose. Just enough to allow the matting surface of the UDP - about 3/4" just on the front side of the crankshaft - to move and wobble.
 

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