Rear Bias plug worth it?

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Right now I have stock brakes all the way around. I was planning to upgrade the brake pads to either ceramic or carbon metallic and put in the rear bias plugs. But was wondering is it worth it without having any other brake upgrades to do the rear plugs? Or should I just save my money for the 96 upgrade? I don't do much track racing...might auto-x now and then, so I don't need a ton of stopping power just want something a little better. Also how hard is the 96 brake job on a 93 for someone that's never done it? :eek:

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Rear bias plugs w/out vented rear brakes and stainless lines = bad idea I've heard. I would do the 96 upgrade and leave the rears alone... you'll be amazed at the difference, it's like night and day. I'm emailing you right now so I'll discuss it further then. thumb
 

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I woulod at least wait until the '96 upgrade or better was on the front. The braking could get really out of balance without a larger setup in front first.
 

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As long as your ABS is working properly the stock solid rotors in the back are OK with the stock front brakes and rear plugs.

<small>[ September 14, 2003, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: SHOZ123 ]</small>
 

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I have the plugs. I dont see why everybody is agaisnt them i guess the suggestion is only do it if you have abs. I would look into getting the plugs locally though $40 for two little brass end caps is alot. I spent that much however only to find that i could have went to pep boys and get the same thing for cheaper.
 

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  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I spent that much however only to find that i could have went to pep boys and get the same thing for cheaper.
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So what would be the part number of these Pep Boys plugs?
 

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How about us pre-ABS guys? I was talking to another SHOwner over the weekend about the plugs, would like to get 'em, but the ABS issue we didn't cover. Shouldn't make a difference, right?
 

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My rear bias-valve has also been removed although I do have the 96 front upgrade. I have noticed better braking since removing the valve because I actually think my rear brakes are doing something now. Before the valve was seized and not working properly so now that it is removed all is well. I would say remove it.
 

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I have them as well but I installed them with the Rear Control Arms. The car brakes flatter and feels much better.

As for finding them at Pep Boys a part number would be nice. I was very surprised when I pulled out the old ones. The plugs look the just like the OEM ones except the check valve is gone. What I'm trying to say is there not generic brass plugs.
 

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I dont know if the part number nor if pep boys carries the product. It was my thought that if you pull out the valves bring them to pep boys and see if they have anything before you spend $40 on two pieces of brass.
 

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I got mine for free thanks to a generous community member. :p

Seriously, look at some old posts and it should tell you how to do it yourself on the cheap.
 

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Man, you guys scare me sometimes.

The bias or limit valve plug was originated here, ritht here at TCE. First set on my wifes car back in about 95. I did this as a result of the adjustable crontol arms and the need for the removal of the drop link.

I then, and only then, stumbled upon the valve and how it worked and what happened when I bypassed it. The increse in rear brake torque was immediate. No doubt about it. BUT, when subjected to higher pressures the ABS was noticed right off. That means that under hard braking the car will lock up the rear brakes.

This mod is NOT FOR NON ABS CARS! Period. The only way this should be even considered is if the car is a track only car and fitted with the proper proportioning valves to compensated for the increase in rear line pressure.

When done to proper ABS cars it will increase the rear brake ability, however it will go into an ABS mode under extreme braking. The more you use your brakes the less effective it becomes. Huh? Yes, the more brake applied the less use the rears have to a great degree. Modest street driving (or a lot of sand bags in the trunk) the more the bypass will work. But under extreme pressure or braking, the less value this mod has.

Track use: so-so mod depending upon the front brakes in use.

Street use: pretty nice change to get some more work out of the rears.

This is NOT a Pep Boys/Checker auto parts change! The plug is a metric thread if I recall and require an o-ring to fit properly. Yes if you are a idiot you might try fitting a pipe thread plug into the valve body....but hey, it's your calipers that the chips of the cross theading are getting into. If you must, the only way to do this right is to weld the stock alum plug and re fit it into the valve body with the proper sealing ring.

Best I can offer nearly you 8+ years later.

<small>[ September 17, 2003, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: Todd TCE ]</small>
 

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Yes it's an odd ball metric thread. I had to order a die to cut the threads on my plugs. Thanks Todd, you saved me from writing the long post wink
 

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Paul, either that or 16mm x 1.25 I need to find the die and double check the thread pitch.

<small>[ September 23, 2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: DeaconBlue ]</small>
 

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My topic has made for quite the discussion among you more knowledge folks. There is some good info here. pizza and beer for all! thumb
 

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