??Punch Cats for Off-Road Exhaust??

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BlackMagik

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Car: '94 ATX with 127K miles, no mods

After reading the comments on SHOTimes about cats killing SHO Engines I'm considering gutting my cats for an off-road only application. Is this going to be difficult and will it have any negative impact on the car? I'd like to think it would free up some HP but I'm mainly wanting to prevent engine damage from high-milage cat failure. Thanks for any insight!
 

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I wouldn't use that old tale on SHOtimes as a reason to de-regulate your emissions control system. I have had two catalytic converters crumble into so many ceramic marbles without any loss of compression or engine longevity. You may want to search on the topic , because many opinions have been voiced about the reality of this effect. I do know that without an EGR system, there is little to no opportunity to ingest cat guts into the engine.
 

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Sounds logical to me....I've had CAT failures on other makes with no complications other than replacing the CAT itself. However, my car does have an EGR system (ATX)....so, should I take some preventative measures?
 

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Okay....it's been a while since I first posted this but my cats are bad for sure and I'd like to drive the car but not spend a bunch of money on a new Y-pipe. The cat guts a starting to restrict the exhast and cause power surges.

Can I drop the y-pipe, knock the junk out of these things and drive the car. I really don't care about acheiving the optimal hp offered by the ss high-flow pipe, i just want to keep my car on the road as a daily driver.
 

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Why not go to a muffler shop ,have them cut cats off and add nice free flowing bends?$100 at the most to do.
 

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I wish Prophet....my muffler guy says he can't do it cause he's A) afraid of getting busted and B) because the bends and welds on the ATX are too tight...maybe I need a new muffler guy????
 

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Its really tough to get to the cats without cutting the y-pipe of the cats them self. You might want to try cutting a door in the top of the cats to remove the guts and then welding the door shut. This way unless an inspector looks at the top of the cats no one can tell they have been gutted. Also gutted cats will change the exaust note a bit (or it has on every car I have done it on so far, it adds a bit of rasp).
 

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I had a a new dual exhaust system put on my mustang, no cats and dual flowmasters, and the guy did not have a single problem installing it with no cats. It did however have a problem passing smog. :rolleyes:
 

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JelloSlug,

Thanks for the info. That's the best idea I've heard so far!!! I'm a legal-eagle kind of guy but I can't justify 500-2200 for a new y-pipe when I can add a cat for 80 in a straight section to pass emissions.

Thanks again and if you get any more good ideas I'd be happy to hear them.
 

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BLACKMAGIC,

Any professional mechanic caught removing ANY of the emmissions controls, including the cats, faces very heavy fines, and possibly criminal prosecution from the federal government, and most state governments also.

You can do anything you want to your vehicle, but the State does not have to allow you on the roads. A drivers license is a privlege, not a right. The same is true for the plates.

If you want to use the car "off road", you will have no problem as long as you do not put the car on a public road.

Lets set all the legal issues aside. If you do the research, you will find that street car owners who occasionally race their cars have found that they do better with the stock system in place.

5.0 Mustang owners have found that the designed back preasure created by the cats gives them better low end torque for the launch. They get better speed without the cats, but end up with higher ETs (Elapsed times). ETs win the race with very few exceptions.

The feedback system provide driveability and fuel economy advantages. Their ability to continuously fine-tune the air fuel mixture to match different conditions, even different fuels, is dependent on the back pressure as designed WITH THE CATS.

The computer maps of air-fuel ratios AND timing are set for the exaust-system back-pressure of the stock exaust with the converters.

Clearly, you will gain nothing by removing the converters, or gutting them. You can get more horsepower with some "bolt-on" items, but again, if the "bolt on" item does not have federal EPA exemption, and usually State exemption, the car will not be street legal. (= no plates)

What you do to your car in your own back yard is your business. When you put it on the public roads it is the public's business, and the "public" has decided it wants clean air. rangerj
 

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thanks for the info rangerj but please refer to my previouse post. My intent is not to go fast, i've got a small collecion of motorcycles for that purpose. this car is a daily driver and all i want to do is keep it running. i fully intend to add cats in the straight section in order to pass inspections/emission (which, i'm told is perfectly legal in my state). It all boils down to one thing....$80 for a cat in a straight section or $500 minimum for a new catted y-pipe. Easy math my friend.
 

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