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Anybody know of a good source to purchase V8 SHO cams @ a cheap price to practice on before it is done on my car?

"loose or in bad shape is a good start"

I know of a highly competent Porsche mechanic who could do the job, but i want him to at least practice first.

AL fitz.. maybe for the used cams ?

How much does used cam cost?

Final note..... i had tried to contact Brad Eng... in Indiana....but he has not responed in 1 week.... Does he still weld SHO cams?

please advise.

thanks

jpc
 
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Ian Macoomb

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I'd just drive up to see Eric Lehmann in Lombard, IL. Mapquest says it's a 200 mile drive for you. Don't take chances, get it done by someone who's done it many times before (not saying that Brad Eng isn't very good).
 

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Ian Macoomb said:
I'd just drive up to see Eric Lehmann in Lombard, IL. Mapquest says it's a 200 mile drive for you. Don't take chances, get it done by someone who's done it many times before (not saying that Brad Eng isn't very good).
I agree, even though I'm not a fan of the purple cars. :nut:
 

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I bought a spun cam for around 20 bucks shipped off of midnight auto parts on ebay. I got to show non believers here in town just what happens with the cam gear. Then I welded it just for something to do and now it sits on our shop floor at home.
 

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Good advice on having a Pro do the job, but if someone practice on a unit shouldn't he be able to do a good job?

This gentleman is a body/paint and Porsche mechanic.

just curious of your thoughts.

I trully do not have 4 hours of my time to drive to illionois or ohio... etc...

jpc
 

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I'd still rather have someone who's done the job before do the job. Is the Porsche mechanic a professional welder? I wouldn't take the chance of somebody warping my cams or being sloppy and getting slag everywhere. Even worse, we seen a few cases where the cams still failed after welding because the welds had no ***********.
 

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I believe he is a fully competent welder, but i doubt he is a professonal welder. I doubt any of the repair shops besides Swingford eng. has a professional welder.

I believe Swingford eng. prepares for the weld job before it is welded by a pro.

I sent via email a few articles about the cams to the Porsche mechanic. He could not believe the stupidity by ford design errors.

After reading the articles he advised me to purchase a practice pair before welding my car.

Currenty the Porsche mechanic doing a full restoration on a rust bucket early 1966 Porsche 911.

I am still pondering on a pro, but Swingford eng. still has not called me back.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

jpc
 
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Swingford eng. is moving out of state......hmmmmmmmmm

Mr. Swingford said he would email me the actual setting for the welding equipment and give details on the process.

I believe the actual setting would be half the battle beside getting some practice.

thoughts?

jpc
 

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Want.to.be said:
I trully do not have 4 hours of my time to drive to illionois or ohio... etc...
jpc

Don't be surprised if your cams fail then. And to think it could have been prevented by a little driving, and driving a fun car at that...
 

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thanks for the vote of confindance. I still might go forth with the drive, but need other avenues first.

I have a full time job, School ... Pregnant wife and 2.5 year old.

jpc
 

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A few salient points:

1. A "professional welder" is still going to be a ****** at welding V8 SHO cams while STILL INSIDE THE MOTOR. Sure, the welds may be the best in the world, but if the motor blows up afterwards that would really just make them a "professional engine destroyer".

2. The "settings" of a welder are MEANINGLESS unless you are using the actual welder from which the settings have been provided (not just the same make and model, but the actual welder), and you have the exact same electrical supply characteristics. Along with the same wire, same gas, and same pressure too. There are way too many factors to just say "this is what you need" and you're good to go. When we go on the road to weld cams, we need different settings than at the shop, and those settings are different for each location; Nashville we use one setting, Houston another, Tulsa yet another, and so on. You also have to compensate for the type of oil used in the motor as different oils react differently as the beads are being applied.

3. We hear the "I don't have the time/money" arguments every day. We've got a customer's car in the shop right now who couldn't justify spending $750 to have his cams welded when he first called about 3 months ago. His car died while we were in Memphis. When his motor swap is done on Wednesday he'll be paying us about $3200 from a bunch of credit card cash advances to get his one and only source of transportation back. If you don't have the time or money to get the cams welded properly, I hope you have the time and money when they fail or when the motor dies because some "professional" rookie warped a camshaft, cracked a tensioner, let welding debris get somewhere it shouldn't, etc. You'll either be whacked with the cost of a replacement motor or the prospect of getting maybe $500 for your lawn ornament.

4. I wouldn't care if someone had 20 years experience as a professional welder, another 20 years as a professional Ferrari technician, and spent 10 more years designing and manufacturing camshafts. If they haven't welded V8 SHO cams before, I might let them drive my car or change my oil, but they're sure as **** not going to learn V8 SHO camshaft welding on my car.

There are about a dozen people in the country who have a track record of reliable cam welding service. If a four hour drive and a few hundred dollars is too much for you to know that it's done right, by someone who loves the car and has a lot of experience with welding V8 SHO cams, then you might want to reconsider if the V8 SHO is the right car for you.
 

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Like its been said before, just go get it done by the closest V8 SHO specialist near you, if Eric is only 200 miles away like someone else mentioned, thats nothing and he does a great job, as do a handful of others in the V8 SHO community. Regardless of where you go, get it done by someone who knows what they are doing.

I can think of 5 people off the top of my head that I warned about a cam failure in thier car, 2 listened and had them welded (one was already failing when torn apart), the other 3 have pretty lawn ornaments now.

You make the choice, but a few hundred bucks is better than a few thousand in repairs or no car at all...
 
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If time is the issue, then I'm sure someone could take it there for you. I drove someone else's car to a camfest for him because he didn't have the time.
 

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Want.to.be said:
Question.... which cams usually fail first "exhaust cams?"...

front or rear set ups ?

both ?
The weakest one.

They ALL fail. They are all made the same and all have the same potential to fail.
 

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A few more salient points:

Are we sure that we are not overstating the difficulty involved in welding a cam??

“Professional welders” deal with the variables that are listed in this thread all day, every day.
I bet there are thousands of (probably more) welders across the country that could weld our cams successfully.

These things are not made from exotic metals…and.they are not extremely thin wall items,

Any professional welder using common sense will have success. I bet a person working at a body shop (welding cars together all day) would have no problem welding the cams successfully.

If I were a professional welder, I would be insulted by some of the comments in this thread.
 

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I wouldn't be....I know of about 15 "professional" welders (muffler shops, body guys etc.) who wouldn't TOUCH my SHO when I wanted the cams welded. I hauled my happy **** down to FPS in Georgia (from michigan, mind you) and let Doug and his boys tear my new baby apart and ****** her.


First off, your average "professional" welder doesn't have the tools neccessary to do the 100k maintenece (see "valve lash adjustment") while they're in there, and you'd be a fool not to have that done.

Sorry...off topic....

I'm in agreeance with most others here. I'm picky on who touches my cars.....if they don't have prior experience with SHOs, they damn sure aren't gonna change my plugs and wires, much less weld my cams. I'd rather have someone in there who can look at the sproket and tell me if it's already slipped a little or not, to make sure the timing's still straight. It's like Mr. Anonymous said...if you're not willing to do what it takes to make sure that the car's properly maintained, you should probably consider a different mode of transportation.
 

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I have purchased a set of cams and will have the correct setting for the welding equipment we will be using.

I will update the results after our first practice runs.

I was told patience is the most important part between each weld.

Brad Eng. believe the setting is the biggest challenge and also praticing first.

thanks for the info jpc
 

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I think SuperHo9's point is valid, actually. Any decent professional welder with the right gear should be able to weld the cam sprockets without difficulties. But not every such welder is going to do associated other things that the various folk used to dealing with this particular problem normally do. And, not every professional welder out there is going to be interested in taking on the job, for concerns about liability and such.

pax, smn
 

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Finished.

Cams welded:
Replaced 4 rear coils on 1-4
New spark plugs.
Oil change / filter
serptine-belt

Went extremley quick!
It took Napa longer to deilver the Coils than the weld job.
The Porsche mechanic said it was a piece of cake!
Equipment used: Tig welder with liquid cooling...

Farmers Automotive will now Weld Cams for 1997-1999 SHO's
$450 plus parts
:) jpc

will post pictures tonight...thanks jpc
 
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