Non interferance engine w/ bent valve???

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DansBabyGurl

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Our 89 MTX still will not start after replacing the crankshaft sensor, ignition control module, checking timing, etc. Our last real options are camshaft sensor, and cylinder identification sensor (is this also called something else?). Is it possible in a non interferance engien to bend a valve? Thats what the dumb ***** at a local shop gave us as the reason its not starting.... just wondering. If these 2 sensors dont do the trick we're just putting in a new engine to save headaches and time!!! Thanks
 

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Absolutely,although it`s not too common.You obviously already know the V6 SHO is a non-interferance engine.However,there have ben a very few cases where the valves had enough carbon build up to "make" them an interferance engine.I`m not sure i`d believe this option unless your mechanic actually pulled off the head,or at the very least,both valve covers for a visual inspection.
BTW,the V8 SHO engine is an interferance engine.
 

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The mechanics did not pull the engine apart at all. In fact when we came to pick up the car in its still non running state the belts and things were all still off and the battery not even connected. The bent valve was thier "guess" as to what was wrong. Pretty crappy shop, huh?
 

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LOL we had the car towed 50 miles ot my parents house immediatley. They all heard what we thought of thier repair style trust me! It was called corners automotive in jackson, MI. Avoid it at all costs!
 

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does your fuel pump prime when you turn the key to acc? Also, the cylinder identification sensor is also known as the camshaft sensor. That can also be a contributor to not starting. Do you have any codes?
 

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wow, the v8 sho is an interferance engine????? I don't recall reading about changing the timing belt... when is the v8 due for a change??
 

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dkautumna:
wow, the v8 sho is an interferance engine????? I don't recall reading about changing the timing belt... when is the v8 due for a change??
Of course it is... How do you think the cams failing causes the valves collide with the pistons? :)
 

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I highly doubt the bent valve theory on a SHO engine, but again, anything is possible. Do a compression test on all of the cylinders and have someone watch the readings. If the gauge goes up then shoots back down, you probably have a bent valve. If all cylinders read above 115-120psi, then you're a-ok. If they read lower then that, you may have bad piston rings, a bad head gasket, valve seals, numerous different things. I can't see 1 bent valve in a 24v engine causing the whole engine not to run. May run like crap, but will still run. I agree with the previous posts on the fuel pump. Turn the key to "ON" and see if you hear the fuel pump priming. If not, you have found your problem. (Assuming you have checked all fuses and relays for the pump first) Also, if somebody pushed in the inertia button in your trunk, that could cause some problems. Check continuity between the companion plugs on the coil pack itself (the ones next to eachother) with an ohm meter. IIRC, it should read about 1.4-2.0 ohms of resistance. Check the DIS module to make sure it isn't fried, and just for giggles, pull a spark plug wire out, shove a screw driver in it, and hold it near a ground. Then have someone crank the engine while you look for spark. And yes, the Cam Identification Sensor (Camshaft Position Sensor) COULD give you a no start condition, but in my experiences, it just gives a hard starting condition when it goes bad. The ECU tries 3 different crank/cam combinations when the CID goes bad, and usually fires right up on the second try. Good luck, hope this helped.
 

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dkautumna:
wow, the v8 sho is an interferance engine????? I don't recall reading about changing the timing belt... when is the v8 due for a change??
They don't have a belt that needs changing, they have a timing chain. It never needs to be changed (maintanence free, they say) so since they don't have to worry about the chain breaking, they make it an interference engine. They didn't count on the cams failing and causing the engine to become a pile of metal scrap.
 

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if it has air, and fuel, then it needs spark. I had a problem with mine, and it turned out to be a bad groud on the intake, make sure its hooked up properly. Also check to see if you are getting power to the coil pack. Another guess is to check the fuses on the fuse block in the engine compartment.
 

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