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okay..tach is jumping like it has always done when turning over now. question?? how many ground connections are on this thing?? Keep hearing about one on the head to the chassis..where abouts? while testing I got erratic readings on some lines..electronic buddies say its sounded like a ground problem. new mounts are in, same as starter.checked all connections, now am going to do the spark thing again..if still no go..pcm or dis..how to test without access to replacements to test?
 

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Zoomx2,

1st make sure your battery terminals are clean and making good contact. The black cable is the "main" ground. Follow it to its other end and make sure it is clean and making good contact.

Next, there is a ground wire near the battery, between the battery and the power steering pump resivior, screwed into the sidewall (passenger fenderwell). Make sure it is clean and well connected.

On the passenger side, in the back of the intake manifold, the top bolt for the manifold support bracket has a ground wire attached to the bolt. The wire then goes to the firewall, and is held to the firewall with a screw. Clean these connections if there are any signs of corrosion.

Try unplugging, and plugging back in, all harness connections. Before plugging them back in check for signs of corrosion. Also look for any freyed, or rubbed through wires that could be shorting out, or grounding out, sensor(s).

The 60 pin connection to the computer, through the firewall, is held together with a 10mm bolt. Remove the bolt and gently remove the connection. Again check for signs of corrosion, or otherwise poor connections.

When your done with all of this, take the jumper wire you made to check codes and use it to clear the codes. Take a break, have a Molsons, then try to start the car. If it does not start, or runs poorly, recheck the codes. Address the codes by first checking the wires to the sensors that coded.

Look for poor connections, freyed or rubbed through wires, broken wires, shorted wires, etc. An electrical multimeter with the ability to check amps, volts, ohms, and continuity, is a necessity.

While your freezing your but off doing all that, I'm going to have a cold Molsons.

I thought you Canadians liked the cold, you know ice fishing, ice hockey, ski-dooing, eh!

Let us know how your doing, and we will get you through it from our WARM easy chairs! rangerj

By the way was that 120 KPH, or MPH, on the exit ramp?
 

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Pull the oil fill cap off, and have a buddy crank her over. If you see anything inside move those would be the valves. If not, try having a look at the timing belt. Same symptoms happened to me (without the smell tho) and sure enough thats what it was. (Throttle stopped responding and it wouldn't start when bump- started.) One thing i learned, A SHO doesn't just 'die' if its broken, it will let you know well in advance. The exception is the timing belt and cps.
 

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DOes you're CEL go out while you are cranking the engine? If so it is getting a signal from the crank pos sensor.
 

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okay,found a plug hiding back behind the engine, from what my wiring sheet says(orange/white,green/black and black) its for the map sensor,found it,no vaccum attached,where is it to be hooked up? tried to turn it over to test the cam shaft idea(found out about that "searching") when the wife went to urn it over I got a sharp crack/pop sound, then smoke and the smell from when it went down. the smoke and pop came from the coil pack area. cleared the codes to try again..this time i got,21,22,24,59,same as before,but they make sence now.the second number batch was just '15',something about ecu power..back to the harness i guess.
 

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before anyone says anything..no hose on map sensor.searched not far enough..hows the MOLSONS rangerj? I am sure its not quite the same as a true canadian beer.weather is warming so its not so bad outside..only 2c today..heat wave!!
question .where do i find this yellow wire for the pcm power? is it in the harness and if it is, its a fusable link..have to replace??
you have all been a great help, thanks for your time..be better when i get her running again. thumbs_u
 

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Hey Zoom2x Did this happen on Anthony Henday on sunday dec 22. It was dark and we were driving out to the cabin so I couldn't tell the color, but I noticed a gen one getting lifted by a tow truck.
 

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nope..died on 16 headed for henday just by atim road..coasted there from the century road turn
off by spruce grove :rolleyes:
speed question..if the fusible link for the pcm fried..would it smell and yes i have not tested that wire yet..have not found it..been doing the sensors.have the weekend to try some more..hoping its not cps or pcm..a little to expensive this time of the year...gen 1 on a hook???parts maybe??
 

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ZOOM,

The Molsons I have is the REAL thing. I go up into northern Ontario several times a year to fish, relax, watch the stars, northern lights, bears, moose, loons, etc.

The wildlife in Canada is much friendlier than the U.S. wildlife.

Anyway, I bring back the legal limit every time I go up. Legal limit of Molsons that is, the real Canadian stuff. As for fish, I can buy fish anywhere. I have not been able to get any "loonies" for the year 2000, 2001, 2002. Is the Canadian Government still making them?

With that I will get back to researching your questions and get back to you.

P.S I was up there in July one year and I saw it snow. One January we decided to go ice fishing. It was 40 degrees below zero (F) the whole week. Never again!!!
 

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