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Newbie 2010 SHO EcoBoost (Where to start?)
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1BAD91
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Well I guess I really don't have proof either. Just going off what others and other tuners have said.
Either way, LMS makes the safest tune I have ever data logged. I have had many tunes from other vendors. I always end up running my LMS tunes. Its not the fastest, but I don't care, Its the most reliable and predictable. Just wish it had a little more throttle response. Hint Hint LMS. lol
There are quite a few things that people like to "log" or monitor that are not accurate. For instance, let's keep it rather simple. With the ever-infamous AFR....
EcoBoost vehicles do not run or even calculate afr. The calculations that you see on your dash or monitoring device are an estimate based on calculations of over 200 different tables! They are not MAF vehicles...the MAP sensor and wideband O2 sensors keep everything in check on-the-fly. We add onto the factory logic calculations to increase efficiency, power and accuracy.
You can monitor and log back and forth, but you have to know what you are logging and monitoring.
What AFR levels are you logging?
What fuel are you using?
How have you determined that your targeted air fuel is actually correct?
Lambda is how we and your ECU both see fueling.
The issue with using AFR is that you are using a pre-calculated value that is usually a compounded equation of incorrect data. What conversion is being used?
You can see where one simple item like "AFR" is now a likely source of incorrect data. All of this still leaves out the other factors that will alter said equation, like boost for instance. You see, the Data points that almost all dataloggers use are SAE. Now, SAE standards are nice, BUT they are not designed for someone to do calibration from. They are for repair shops to help diagnose issues with vehicles. So, the level of precision, and refresh rate is not what's needed to do proper calibration development. If you are using a data point with a 200ms refresh rate, but the actual value in the ECM refreshes every 8ms, then the ECM is updating 50x more frequently than what you are watching. Again, you start to see where the issues happen and it's easier to understand why we do not treat the EcoBoost like any other engine before it.
Can someone get lucky and eventually end up with a tune that works by looking at the wrong data? Absolutely. Can they repeat those results over and over again without starting from scratch each time? Usually not. And it all stems from having the right knowledge, and data in the first place.
Have you ever requested greater throttle tip in?
We will tweak almost anything for you (or any other client). Do you have any idea how many stock rev, stock shift point, max boost and 3BAR tunes we have made? It is silly! Say what you will, but the fact remains that we still accomplish things that NOBODY else does with "the safest tunes ever logged". That should say something!
I'm hoping for a custom tune on CAD this Thursday. I know another guy got one last time and I think with a custom tweak at the track that we might have a chance at 11's when the temps drop later this year....yes, that's 11's we're talking without meth...the "Anomoly"!!!
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Don't worry we always have an ace up our sleeve! Just wait...
Are you bringing in large AC units...lol
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We didn't engineer our own tuning software because it is inexpensive. If it were merely money based we would have purchased tuning software like everyone else...that is easy! Like always we took the path less traveled. We wanted to have the ability to alter whatever we wanted. Breakdown cals that nobody else could. Give our clients builds that nobody else can. All of that is true. Look at how quickly we are able to support new vehicles. How quickly we produce parts support. How often we are the ONLY provider of aftermarket support in general.... We do not flex our muscle to get cars months before their release dates. Typically, we get our cars weeks if not months after our competition, and still introduce tuning first! That should show you that we do have access that nobody else has. What else are they going to say? "Yes, Livernois is 2 years ahead of us don't buy from us!" I doubt that, seriously. We are never the ones to single out or disparage anyone, because that is not how we do business. We let our results do all of the talking for us!
So like always...stay tuned!
subframe
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I have to say the the guys at Livernois are the best with this platform, my 2015 SHO has there tune in it and I couldn't be happier I have had several hot Fords over the years [ I'm 65years old] so I have some experience with this stuff.... Rich
SCT & Torque Pro both look at lambda for the EB platform, FYI. Whether you use lambda or AFR isn't really relevant. What IS relevant is that the lambda/stoich be set, read, and tuned for correctly for the fuel in circulation. How you interpret the data, as noted previously, is always key. Data when translated becomes information.
1BAD91
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That's a great answer. Thank you. Like I said, I have tried every tune available, and I always go back to yours. Yours has no quirks, and makes great solid reliable power. Again, no disrespect to you guys what so ever.
I did ask to have my throttle tip in to be increased a while back. Before V10 came out. After I tried MPT. I like the throttle response of their tune, but the rest of the tune was dog s***. And what one of the guys told me on the phone was, "Nobody wants that so we keep it the way it is" Something like that. I'm gonna call later this week and talk to Anthony. He has always been a big help and very helpful.
Thanks for the answer you gave. That really helps me understand whats going on and why you guys do what you do.
Not a problem at all. You can call Anthony or I at any time. Many of the guys in the community can attest to the fact that I am (unfortunately at times) always available VIA email. The F150 tuning (I assume based on your V10 reference) has come a LOOOOOONG way! We have released several revisions since. We are currently crushing the 11-14 market with our XV1 tune, and slaying the 2015 competition with our all-new Version 5 tune!
1BAD91
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Is XV1 a 93 octane tune only? Or meth only? I have a DevilsOwn progressive meth injection kit but the damn pump quit working a month after I bought it.
It is a 91+ octane only tune, and it does require a 160° EvenFlo tstat.
As for your meth kit, that is why we ONLY use AlkyControl! We have tried virtually every kit out there...our AlkyControl kit works!
@1BAD91 thanks for the tune update!
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What is the ratio of E85 to 93oct that I can use
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bpd1151
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Alky Control pumps can, and do fail as well.
Per Julio @ Alky, the pumps have an average life span of 2-3yrs before requiring replacement &/or rebuild.
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Per Julio @ Alky, the pumps have an average life span of 2-3yrs before requiring replacement &/or rebuild.
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A 0% mixture is best.
The EcoBoost is already a fuel starved platform. Using a fuel that is ~40% less volumetrically is only going to exacerbate that deficiency. Why add insult to injury by using a fuel that we have proven can lead to failure? Your vehicle is not a flex fuel capable vehicle. So, there is nothing inside your vehicle or its fuel system that is rated to store or flow such a corrosive material.
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I run e20 with unleashed... I think on the gas cap it says no more than e 15... What's another couple points when you can data log everything and know it is actually running better than without the e20.. Yes more e is corrosive... More boost will wear out your turbo sooner also...I love the e....ran a 12.4 with just a tune and e...just sayin
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13blacksho
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Did you have Torrie write the tune for E 20?
I'm going to data log tomorrow and send it to him and can't decide if I want to ask for the E 20 tune...
Ive been running the fuel mix for 8 months now and love it, but if I'm leaving power on the table...
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