New vs remanufactured waterpump

[Kens1992mtxSHO]

What are your thoughts?

I'm getting ready to order my parts for a full 60k and want what's best. If a remanufatcured WP is just as good as a new Motorcraft I'd rather save some money.

I already know the aftemarket front main and camshaft seals are junk so I'll go with OEM Motorcraft there.

Thanks

 

[Brett]

What are your thoughts?

I'm getting ready to order my parts for a full 60k and want what's best. If a remanufatcured WP is just as good as a new Motorcraft I'd rather save some money.

I already know the aftemarket front main and camshaft seals are junk so I'll go with OEM Motorcraft there.

Thanks

As for the waterpump. I'd imagine the brand new motorcraft is probably a bit better quality, i also just ordered for a 60k, got the reman pump because its alot cheaper.

I already know the aftemarket front main and camshaft seals are junk so I'll go with OEM Motorcraft there.

That's nice to hear. just ordered aftermarket camshaft seals, I think i remember someone saying they're junk but never a group of people.

 

[Kens1992mtxSHO]

That's nice to hear. just ordered aftermarket camshaft seals, I think i remember someone saying they're junk but never a group of people.

I just did some research and found that some SHO owners find that they just don't seal very well. I'm sure that for every one that has had a problem, there's one that has not. I would rather play it safe and keep the oil where is belongs.

 

[rubydist]

I've found that not all remanufactured stuff is the same, and have had good quality w/ parts that I've gotten from NAPA, so I put a reman NAPA one on the red 94 when it got its 60k (100k) a while back. Its been over a year and all is well...

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I've installed a whole bunch (over 200) of the Cardone remans, and find them to be just fine. There's a fella on here who knocks the remans all the time because he happened to get a bad one (which the odds are probably equal to get a bad brand new one too), and insists that a brand new one is the only way to go, but I'd say probably about 95% of the SHO's on the road today are running with a reman just fine. Of course the nicest part with a reman is the lifetime warranty which you won't get with a new pump and the lifespan is going to be the same.

Do yourself a favor though and order the Fel-Pro water pump gasket set which includes both the pump and inlet gasket as well as the housing to block o-ring and the crossover tube o-rings. Fel-Pro part # ES70425 (under $5.00 at RockAuto.com).

 

[AREA 91]

I use all reman water pumps with zero failures.

 

[projectSHO89]

Likewise, I can't figure out why the after market cam and crank seals are being knocked. I've use them, either Fel-Pro or BSC branded with zero seal-caused failures.

Steve

 

[itwonder]

Well, here I am, the fella that knocks the rebuilt water pumps. It really does not matter where you buy one of those, the rebuilder is probably Cardone. As for how good they are, take a look where the shaft protrudes through the case and you will see that Cardone damages the case when they remove the old bearing. The Cardone WP I installed lasted about 1500 miles before it started leaking through its main seal. IMHO, the only reason to install a Cardone WP is price. The reason I advise against taking this chance is the amount of labor and trouble involved in changing a SHO WP. There are few worse jobs on the SHO than the WP. If your rebuilt pump does turn out to be a lemon, it means you get to completely redo the entire front 60K over again to get to that WP., there is no shortcut. The fact that Cardone will give you a replacement part (shipping on your $ BTW) is little consolation when it's the labor and the possibility of it leaving you stranded that is the issue. If you are having a shop do your 60K, and they will give you a 90 day guarantee on the parts and labor, then it's probably not as big of an issue. But when your own labor and trouble is on the line, do you want to take the chance?

It is my opinion that the brand new Duralast WP from Autozone for $165 including shipping is the better buy. This water pump is made in Japan by Aisan, and it appears to be identical to the OEM Ford WP in every respect, right down to the fasteners used. Unlike the rebuilt Cardone, you do not have to reuse your old housing. It is complete including a brand new housing and even a brand new pulley. It also comes with a lifetime warranty. BTW, this same pump is sold through other outlets, easy to identify bc it's the one that comes with a new pulley on it. Unless price is an overriding concern, why not take advantage of these all new parts while they are available in the marketplace? As others have posted, I do recommend using the Felpro WP gasket kit o-rings rather than the ones that come with the pump.


Cardone chips the WP case when the bearing is removed. I looked at three of them and they were all that way. Terrible error?...probably not, but it demonstrates these are not the same as a new pump.

 

[SHOtime2511]

ive always used re-man units in my SHO's. ive never had an issue.

 

[sho_ted]

i have terrible luck with anything labled duralast from autozone.

 

[itwonder]

i have terrible luck with anything labled duralast from autozone.

That is meaningless. The duralast WP is made by Aisan, one of the largest and most respected parts manufacturers in Japan. They made OEM WP's for Toyota, and many others. Duralast is a marketing brand, it has no relation to the manufacturing company. If you prefer, the same Aisan WP is available from several other stores under different brands.

 

[sdpatt]

I've installed dozens of Cardone remans and actually found one that did have a problem. It wasn't with leaking seals or bad bearings, it was from an impeller that came loose from the shaft.

Regarding the OEM pumps as being the only way to go, the reason I first switched to remans was that a $210 Motorcraft (Aisan) pump lasted only 40,000 miles before the bearings and seals were shot. I run the Cardones until they leak because of the lifetime warranty. I have gone close to 100,000 miles on each of the last two pumps. The current one has over 110,000 miles (knocking on wood as I type this).

Aftermarket camshaft seals being bad? The OEM seals I removed from mine and and least two other SHO engines has been the Fel-Pro versions. Go with the Fel-Pro TCS45870 set of three, but make sure they are the black rubber covered seals in the brown Fel-Pro box rather than the green coated metal seals repackaged as Fel-Pro.

 

[itwonder]

Aftermarket camshaft seals being bad? The OEM seals I removed from mine and and least two other SHO engines has been the Fel-Pro versions. Go with the Fel-Pro TCS45870 set of three, but make sure they are the black rubber covered seals in the brown Fel-Pro box rather than the green coated metal seals repackaged as Fel-Pro.

OEM camshaft seals originally installed by Yamaha and supplied by Ford are a rubber coated seal made in Japan by NOK. The seals in the Felpro kit are a similar rubber coated seal, but they are not the same design, and they are made in Mexico or USA (at least the ones I have seen). The outer diameter is slightly less than the NOK seal thus they do not fit as tightly. (RTV should be used around the outer perimeter per the FSM to ensure the seals stay put).

 

[cetroutt]

the only thing that had duralast on it that i've ever had luck with is a battery. everything else has gone to crap pretty fast. i hate autozone.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Aftermarket camshaft seals being bad? The OEM seals I removed from mine and and least two other SHO engines has been the Fel-Pro versions. Go with the Fel-Pro TCS45870 set of three, but make sure they are the black rubber covered seals in the brown Fel-Pro box rather than the green coated metal seals repackaged as Fel-Pro.

This thread has swayed a little bit off-topic, but the issue with the Fel-Pro cam and crank seals is that they are not the correct sizes. I'm in Florida for another couple of weeks so I don't have all the measurements handy, but at home I have the measurements off the faces of the OEM cam and crank seals, as well as those of the Fel-Pro seals, along with some pictures showing the differences between the OE and aftermarket seals and sizes.

In the case of the cam seals, the OD is too big and results in the seal deforming on installation. The crank seals are the correct OD, but are 10mm thick instead of 9mm OE (which is no problem), and the ID is 1mm wider than OE. So, if the crank is worn at the sealing surface a leak is more likely.

In my personal cars as well as customer cars, I have installed Fel-Pro cam seals with no problem numerous times. BUT, some time around 2002 Fred H. reported that he started having problems with the fit of the seals, and I've seen it with 7 or 8 sets myself. We stopped ordering the Fel-Pro cam seals a few years ago now as we get the National 1213N seals locally in bulk for about $1.50/ea, but every once in a while we'll have a customer provide parts including the Fel-Pro TCS45870 cam seal set, and they are still the wrong size. When I get home next month I'll post all the pix and measurements.

I don't know if anyone has ever reported the size issues to Fel-Pro or not, or if they'd care. Or not.

 

[Commish56]

Reman pump is fine. With the seals go with the motorcraft. They are really cheap. and it makes sense for the couple extra bucks. Because they are a chore to replace again if they do fail. I got mine from directfordparts.com for $7-$10, cant remember exactly.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Aisin was the OEM supplier for the SHO water pumps and several other engine components such as the oil pump. I am currently running one of the Duralast/Aisin pumps and have not had a problem. Given the price ($147.99), Lifetime warranty, and fact that it is a complete unit - including the housing and pulley - and does not require a core - it's an excellent buy.

And yet several other reasons to not knock AutoZone parts:

The "Duralast" Timing Belt Component Kit is simply a repackaged Dayco 84078 MTX Timing Belt Tensioner, which they happily price-matched to RockAuto's online price ($56.99) - and I had it the next day - no shipping!

The "Duralast" heavy duty front stabilizer kit was a repackaged Moog K-8702 heavy duty greaseable end-link.

In several areas, the rear 1990-92 vented rotors are $10.99 - almost what you pay to have a rotor turned!


Many auto parts chains buy mid- to high-quality aftermarket parts in bulk and repackage them in their own product packaging. A number of Borg Warner parts I've gotten at O'Reilly's actually contained Ford OEM/Motorcraft parts in a Borg Warner box. Some of the Dorman parts are repackaged Ford OEM parts. And there are examples of this for a number of parts store chains.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Ken,
Let me know when you're ready to order your 60K parts, and I'll see what I can get the Ford OEM/Motorcraft for, for you.

 

[Kens1992mtxSHO]

Ken,
Let me know when you're ready to order your 60K parts, and I'll see what I can get the Ford OEM/Motorcraft for, for you.

****, I'm ready to order today or tomorrow. I've already got my shopping cart full on rock auto.

I've got almost all I need in there with the exception of the camshaft and front main seals.

 

[SeanMc]

When my motor was first rebuilt, the guy put in a motorcraft pump. That failed after 4 years. I'm now using an A1 Cardone, and it seems fine.