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[Barry Raymond]

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Simply a question...if having the unilateral ability to "turn off" the stability systems at will yell at Ford. Like I explained earlier, we will expound upon the areas where we are allowed and avoid the areas where we are not allowed. It is not a question of our ability, it is simply about what is allowed or not.

I highly doubt it's inherently unstable. If the wheels are aligned there should be no instability. The closest one might find to an inherently unstable vehicle would be maybe an old truck with worn out bushings, steering and suspension components. And plenty of people drive vehicles like that every day with no computer aids and bald tires. Not saying it's as safe as having it by any means, just that it can be done. Piloting thousands of pounds of steel at 60mph is inherently dangerous. And I feel like the government stepping in every couple of years or so and implementing safety requirements will never eliminate motoring accidents, injuries or fatalities. This thread is about being able to disable features on a closed course or somewhere that you would only be risking your own safety. And I don't see why we should not be able to do that. Especially since it is a factory option in PP cars.

Michigan has no emissions testing. And I think it will be difficult to implement emissions testing in most rural areas. I'd say 90-95% of vehicles where I live would fail the h3!! Out of emissions testing, an if they did fail they would just keep driving illegally anyway. One police officer for nearly 200 square miles is never going to catch and stop everyone, nor is that one officer seen as a real risk of being caught. Removing cats around here is common practice, for people with low income it's a choice between hundreds of dollars for a new cat or like ten bucks for a piece of pipe.

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So here in Texas (Metro Areas) you have to pass emissions to get your car registered and you have to get your car registered to get plates. Its not a sticker, its a report filed electronically hat is a prereq for plates/registration sticker. Walmart can do the testing, so its not like specialized centers for this. There is a 25 year limit though. We don't test older than that.

 

[SilverSH0]

What if it is just numb to the point that it allows for ~70% of what you ask the car to do? What if the indicator light does not offer anything more than a visual placebo?

70% is better than nothing.

If the indicator light is only a pacebo then that physics you talked about earlier must not work as expected. I've driven and rode in a friends PP with Advance Trac off and it's much different than just Traction Control off. If it's just a placebo then somehow physics changes in measurable ways with just that placebo.

Ultimately there's no point in asking you guys for any assistance or anything. You'll first make sure to tell everyone that you can do and then you'll not do anything. It's pointless to ask for any sort of professional assistance as it won't be give. I've asked multiple times for assistance and understand (not you doing it) and all I receive are the two statements.

 

[SHO_Enuff]

70% is better than nothing.

If the indicator light is only a pacebo then that physics you talked about earlier must not work as expected. I've driven and rode in a friends PP with Advance Trac off and it's much different than just Traction Control off. If it's just a placebo then somehow physics changes in measurable ways with just that placebo.

Ultimately there's no point in asking you guys for any assistance or anything. You'll first make sure to tell everyone that you can do and then you'll not do anything. It's pointless to ask for any sort of professional assistance as it won't be give. I've asked multiple times for assistance and understand (not you doing it) and all I receive are the two statements.

Ask Torrie at Unleashed if he can help you out then.

 

[jmr061]

I have been watching this thread. Basically what is desired is the ability to turn off and on advance track on a non PP like a PP can do. A tuner doesn't have the capability to give the user the function to turn this off and on. If they can get into the programming for it, it will be permanently disabled. I don't know if they can do this but I do completely understand the reason not to do this. This system is used by the vehicle even at low speeds. The liability is just too great.

I looked into doing this a couple years ago and was ready to let someone test it but couldn't find anyone willing. It involved some minor wiring, adding the switch and numerous module reprogramming. I don't have the notes anymore. This wasn't something that was easy to research. This was for the 13+ non PP basically adding the advance track off feature. I have heard that 10-12s can have it done by just module reprogramming as the switch is already present??

Either way this isn't a simple task by any means.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

To be angry at us isn't really fair silver. We have nothing to do with regulations and legislation that is passed. My point of the placebo comment was that sport mode doesn't actually change any of the car's capabilities. It is the ultimate placebo. All it essentially does is eliminate excessive OD shifting. There is no additional power, no additional capabilities only a larger % of throttle when requested. If we were allowed to flip that type of switch we would. To direct anger at us for the limitations that are imposed upon us is slightly misguided anger. That request and dissatisfaction should be directed at Ford and the legislative bodies.

We have made it our mission to provide the community with the best development, tuning and aftermarket parts possible. We feel that we are accomplishing all of those on a daily basis, and continue to push ourselves to become even better.

 

[SilverSH0]

To be angry at us isn't really fair silver. We have nothing to do with regulations and legislation that is passed. My point of the placebo comment was that sport mode doesn't actually change any of the car's capabilities. It is the ultimate placebo. All it essentially does is eliminate excessive OD shifting. There is no additional power, no additional capabilities only a larger % of throttle when requested. If we were allowed to flip that type of switch we would. To direct anger at us for the limitations that are imposed upon us is slightly misguided anger. That request and dissatisfaction should be directed at Ford and the legislative bodies.

We have made it our mission to provide the community with the best development, tuning and aftermarket parts possible. We feel that we are accomplishing all of those on a daily basis, and continue to push ourselves to become even better.

I'm not mad at all. I was just stating there's no point in continuing to ask for your assistance as the response is the same.

I'm not asking for you to do anything illegal. I've asked multiple times for your help in understanding how the system works and what's involved. There's nothing illegal about sharing knowledge and helping enthusiasts by saying the system works by monitoring these inputs from these modules. There's a difference between doing and sharing knowledge. It's clear you guys provide the market with the best tuning and parts. Hands down you are the best at what you do. But what you don't do is provide knowledge and assistance to enthusiasts who are wanting to do something themselves and not buy a product. Based on the mission you stated, that's outside the scope.

No hard feelings. I'll still be buying my parts from you (meth kit is next). I just think no more information is going to come from more discussion and that's why I said I'm done here.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

There just are things that we cannot help with.

 

[jmr061]

I also hope there isn't any confusion between sport mode (transmission selection) and sport mode for advance track. Two totally different things.