maybe its just me

[h949h]

IMO the new SHO is BEAUTIFUL. im really impressed with the styling, and the fact that its AWD. i think they should have done that to the original SHO. But im disapointed that they call it a SHO. its not to me. it jsut has the same basic engine that the normal model has. the only spiffy thing about it is that it has a turbo....sounds a bit too ricer for me. just throwing a big turbo on something... i think they shoulda kept the original SHO motor and just pumped it up..plus theres WAY to many gaudy badges..

just my opinion, would i have one? yes. would i buy a new one? maybe. i still think its a magnificent car. dont get me wrong, just they shoulda called it a SVT instead of a SHO.

 

[hawkeye18]

Please tell me this is a troll thread.

 

[h949h]

its not troll at all. i was just saying. lookin from some other posts, people have some of the same critiscism that i do.

 

[thebigjimsho]

its not troll at all. i was just saying. lookin from some other posts, people have some of the same critiscism that i do.

I haven't seen any post saying turbocharging is rice...:swing:

 

[roland]

turbocharging is rice. then again, i guess using a japanese engine and transmission is rice too.

 

[hawkeye18]

Ok, I'll bite.

First: The new SHO does not have one turbo. It has two. And they're small. And very neatly integrated into the engine; the engine was built around the turbos, so to speak.

Second: Go to this website here: Top 10 Turbo Cars of All Time and tell me how many of those cars are ricer cars. Oh, what's that, only two of them are? Wow, looks like somebody has a stereotype ingrained in their head! Let me guess, you also believe that white people can't play basketball, black people love chicken, asians can't drive, women belong in the kitchen, and Jewish people run the music industry? A little harsh, maybe, but the point is still the same. Turbos are not ricer. Ricers are ricer. A fake blow-off valve is ricer. A Type R sticker on your Neon is ricer.

Third: The turbos are not the only nifty thing about the engine; the turbos combined with the direct-injection (a technology borrowed from diesels, btw) give ungodly amounts of torque at low RPMs. Which is also decidedly not ricer; ricer is having a torque rating that is less than half your HP rating (700HP! but 230lb/ft )

Fourth: ugh. Please at least try to do a little research, and research that involves more than figuring out which bandwagon to jump on.

 

[roland]

i love.....lamp

 

[IM Buddy8]

That was a pretty good post

 

[h949h]

my god, what is it with you people. you take offense to EVERYTHING. i said it was MY opinion. NOT YOURS, mine. i never said it wasnt enginereed well, i never said that it sucked. i never said i didnt like turbos, or think that they are ricer, i jsut think useing a turbo in a car that doesnt need one, is ricer, there are so many other upgrades you can do that just make more sense. THATS all i meant. i dont have a problem with japenese cars, or motors, or transmisions. i LIKE them. i just dont like the pompous ********* that think there honda civic, or their integra is just SOO cool casue they throw a HUGE turbo on it.

A) i kno its twinturbo, i KNO it has direct fuel-injection, ive seen the dyno charts, i kno the gear ratios, i kno its wheelbase, i kno the suspension system, ive done my research, dont tell me i havnt

B) It looks like to me that you like to spend more time writing smart ass comments on a computer screen, rather then being in a garage actually doing something with cars. and dont even try to call me a hypocrit, ive done only 6 or so posts on this website. i like to actually WORK with cars.

C) there really is no point to this post. i just wanted to say what i wanted to say, if you didnt feel the need to degrade everyother person that doesnt share your opinion then i really wouldnt have to do this.

D) i like the thing. i said that. i never said i didnt like it. just dont call it a SHO. its a SVT. i guess this is the last time that i will post on the internet, i dont know why i ever thought people on the internet would be reasonable.

 

[roland]

as far as i can tell hawkeye was the only one bothered by your post, my comment on turbocharging being rice was more directed at bigjimsho's comment that no one has yet said turbocharging is rice.

anyways........

NOT YOURS, mine. i never said it wasnt enginereed well, i never said that it sucked. i never said i didnt like turbos, or think that they are ricer, i jsut think useing a turbo in a car that doesnt need one, is ricer, there are so many other upgrades you can do that just make more sense. THATS all i meant. i dont have a problem with japenese cars, or motors, or transmisions. i LIKE them. i just dont like the pompous ********* that think there honda civic, or their integra is just SOO cool casue they throw a HUGE turbo on it.

I guess to some up what you've been saying, it sounds like you are argueing that rather than putting the ecoboost motor into the SHO they should have just left the regular V6, or are you saying they should have put the 3.0 SHO in there? (i would assume N/A as well since you don't think it needs a turbo)

I think ford did a lot of upgrades to the SHO, it's got a new suspension, slightly better brakes, a beefier transmission, and tons of cool gadgets and features. The only thing that was missing was power, and the only solution to that was to put an ecoboost or a yamaha v8 in there. The Yammie makes less power and is less fuel efficient. easy choice.

I don't think the badges are gaudy either, their are 3 of them and they are all pretty small. As far as calling it an SHO......same reason as calling it a Taurus. It has nothing in common with the original Taurus, it's not even a Ford platform so it's not really true to Ford. But it is a name that people recognize, and it will sell better as an SHO name as well as create more enthusiasm for the product. I'll bet you that their are a ton of former SHO owners (those that bought them new when they were 30 years old) that will probably be drawn to the ford dealerships when they hear that Ford just made another SHO. It's really kind of marketed towards them too, a more refined, luxurious car that still hauls balls and is something that'd be awesome for SHOwing off to friends with.

 

[TwistedD85]

my god, what is it with you people. you take offense to EVERYTHING. i said it was MY opinion. NOT YOURS, mine. i never said it wasnt enginereed well, i never said that it sucked. i never said i didnt like turbos, or think that they are ricer, i jsut think useing a turbo in a car that doesnt need one, is ricer, there are so many other upgrades you can do that just make more sense. THATS all i meant. i dont have a problem with japenese cars, or motors, or transmisions. i LIKE them. i just dont like the pompous ********* that think there honda civic, or their integra is just SOO cool casue they throw a HUGE turbo on it.

A) i kno its twinturbo, i KNO it has direct fuel-injection, ive seen the dyno charts, i kno the gear ratios, i kno its wheelbase, i kno the suspension system, ive done my research, dont tell me i havnt

Hmm...

the only spiffy thing about it is that it has a turbo....sounds a bit too ricer for me. just throwing a big turbo on something...

:angelnot:

B) It looks like to me that you like to spend more time writing smart ass comments on a computer screen, rather then being in a garage actually doing something with cars. and dont even try to call me a hypocrit, ive done only 6 or so posts on this website. i like to actually WORK with cars.

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C) there really is no point to this post. i just wanted to say what i wanted to say, if you didnt feel the need to degrade everyother person that doesnt share your opinion then i really wouldnt have to do this.

Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one and most of them stink. You give yours expect others, if you didn't want anyone else's opinion you should've said so in the first post and just had the mods lock it, no opinions getting in that way.

D) i like the thing. i said that. i never said i didnt like it. just dont call it a SHO. its a SVT. i guess this is the last time that i will post on the internet, i dont know why i ever thought people on the internet would be reasonable.

Oh noes Im leaving teh internetz forever! :frantic:

Seriously now, sure he was a bit abrasive but if you really want to look like the bigger guy, stay calm and think our your post instead of blowing up and making yourself look bad. Most folks here are great, including Hawkeye I'm sure dig, stay and suck it up or leave, either way no one cares :boot:

 

[roland]

i like what they did to it, honostly. it has good power, and a good motor. but i think the biggest problem with it is its name. i would feel so much better thinking it was a Taurus SVT, rather then a SHO. i havnt driving the new one yet, but im sure its beefy. its a good car for the economy with gas being ****** and all. but for that money, and that size you can go with a G8 or a charger even, and those have WAY more power. the SHO motor is dead, its gone, outdated. easily outdated. but thats why i love it, its outdated yet still pretty damn good.

i wouldnt put the 3.0 in it, i would just leave it, but maybe make it a superchager instead of a twinturbo. a SC just seems more like fords style ya kno?

im just ranting and raving, i love my 89, and im going to defend it to the death.

SVT usually implies ******** performance.......maybe the new SHO is, i'm not sure, but it has a huge list of luxury items which suggests it's more than just a performance pack.

The Charger and G8 only have about 50 more horses, their big advantage comes with the RWD handling, and until the tests come out it will be questionable how big of an advantage they have.

As far as supercharging.........It'd have cost a lot of money to put a supercharger for the SHO and a turbocharger for the MKS and Flex ecoboosts. This was an off the shelf (sort of) motor not designed specifically for the SHO but for the whole product lineup. I won't take any guesses as to how much it would drive the price up to put a supercharger onto the 3.5 instead of the twin turbos, but the amount of testing required for these engines would need to be repeated. Plus you'd need different parts, adjustments to the engine bay.......it wouldn't have been worth it.

The Ecoboost was the ONLY choice Ford had for bringing back this car that would have allowed it to be competitive in price and performance. Naming it an SVT....that'd be hard to pull off on a volvo based 4300 pound FF platform sedan. A fusion yeah, Taurus.......no. Plus like i mentioned before, their is a name legacy with the SHO. Naming it a SHO = more enthusiasm. It appeals to SHO owners (current and former) and anyone who knows what a SHO is/was.

 

[h949h]

Naming it an SVT....that'd be hard to pull off on a volvo based 4300 pound FF platform sedan. A fusion yeah, Taurus.......no. Plus like i mentioned before, their is a name legacy with the SHO. Naming it a SHO = more enthusiasm. It appeals to SHO owners (current and former) and anyone who knows what a SHO is/was.

that is true. lol.

 

[Devin]

The only thing I'm going to point out is that there is no way in God's green earth anyone can come away from this thread with the inane idea that turbos are in any way, shape, or form "rice".

 

[nothingtoseehere]

The new SHO is WAY more SHO than SVT. Considering they (Ford) had a meeting with SHO enthusiasts and took their input on what a new SHO should have.

The original SHO motor is .... outdated. The V8 SHO motor is .... outdated. Amazing how for years and years people have complained they wanted a new SHO that was AWD and turbo'd. Then it comes and it is not really a SHO.

I find the Gen II SHO "badges" to be more gawdy. Especially after seeing the 2010 in person.

All in all, it has subtle styling differences and more power than the regular Taurus. Which is exactly what the Gen I,II, and III SHO are. Taurus' with subtle styling differences and a bit more power. SHO enthusiast inspired. Doesn't get more SHO than that.

 

[h949h]

The only thing I'm going to point out is that there is no way in God's green earth anyone can come away from this thread with the inane idea that turbos are in any way, shape, or form "rice".

i never wanted anyone to think turbos are rice.

 

[esfoad]

The new SHO is WAY more SHO than SVT. Considering they (Ford) had a meeting with SHO enthusiasts and took their input on what a new SHO should have.

The original SHO motor is .... outdated. The V8 SHO motor is .... outdated. Amazing how for years and years people have complained they wanted a new SHO that was AWD and turbo'd. Then it comes and it is not really a SHO.

I find the Gen II SHO "badges" to be more gawdy. Especially after seeing the 2010 in person.

All in all, it has subtle styling differences and more power than the regular Taurus. Which is exactly what the Gen I,II, and III SHO are. Taurus' with subtle styling differences and a bit more power. SHO enthusiast inspired. Doesn't get more SHO than that.

Right ON! This is why I bought the Gen I SHO in the first place. The ultimate sleeper with a killer motor, room for real people and luggage, all at a reasonable price for the day.

I can't wait to try it.

 

[hawkeye18]

the only spiffy thing about it is that it has a turbo....sounds a bit too ricer for me.

i never wanted anyone to think turbos are rice.

 

[thebigjimsho]

i never wanted anyone to think turbos are rice.

Yeah, I'm getting sick of the senseless statements and then the pretending senseless statements were never made. And then the "you hurt my feelings" pity mode...

 

[thebigjimsho]

my god, what is it with you people. you take offense to EVERYTHING. i said it was MY opinion. NOT YOURS, mine. i never said it wasnt enginereed well, i never said that it sucked. i never said i didnt like turbos, or think that they are ricer, i jsut think useing a turbo in a car that doesnt need one, is ricer, there are so many other upgrades you can do that just make more sense. THATS all i meant. i dont have a problem with japenese cars, or motors, or transmisions. i LIKE them. i just dont like the pompous ********* that think there honda civic, or their integra is just SOO cool casue they throw a HUGE turbo on it.

A) i kno its twinturbo, i KNO it has direct fuel-injection, ive seen the dyno charts, i kno the gear ratios, i kno its wheelbase, i kno the suspension system, ive done my research, dont tell me i havnt

B) It looks like to me that you like to spend more time writing smart ass comments on a computer screen, rather then being in a garage actually doing something with cars. and dont even try to call me a hypocrit, ive done only 6 or so posts on this website. i like to actually WORK with cars.

C) there really is no point to this post. i just wanted to say what i wanted to say, if you didnt feel the need to degrade everyother person that doesnt share your opinion then i really wouldnt have to do this.

D) i like the thing. i said that. i never said i didnt like it. just dont call it a SHO. its a SVT. i guess this is the last time that i will post on the internet, i dont know why i ever thought people on the internet would be reasonable.

Interesting to see who "thanked" your post...