MAF sensor - should engine die if it's unplugged?

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I've used this forum for years, but have hardly ever posted, because I always find the solution to my problems by using the search feature. That's how good this place is!
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In reasearching a rough running issue I have, I've seen it mentioned to "try unplugging your MAF while the car is running". I've seen a couple of posts where someone did this and their car ran better, the consensus being that the MAF was bad.

I haven't seen reference to my situation.
What does it mean if I unplug the MAF while the vehicle is running - and the engine immediately dies?

I have a stock 93 ATX. I haven't run codes yet. Borrowing my brother's code reader in the next couple of days (I'm too impatient for the paper-clip method).
:)

Thanks,
Jim
 

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I've used this forum for years, but have hardly ever posted, because I always find the solution to my problems by using the search feature. That's how good this place is!
:thankyou:

In reasearching a rough running issue I have, I've seen it mentioned to "try unplugging your MAF while the car is running". I've seen a couple of posts where someone did this and their car ran better, the consensus being that the MAF was bad.

I haven't seen reference to my situation.
What does it mean if I unplug the MAF while the vehicle is running - and the engine immediately dies?

I have a stock 93 ATX. I haven't run codes yet. Borrowing my brother's code reader in the next couple of days (I'm too impatient for the paper-clip method).
:)

Thanks,
Jim
No it will not cause it to die. If the computer does not recognize a signal from the MAF sensor, it will return to "stock default settings" and it will run fine. This helps to narrow down problems to diagnose if you have an issue with the MAF sensor or not. Hope this helps!
 

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I think it means not only that your MAF is fine, but that something else is bad. I believe if you unplug the MAF, the computer will use the TPS and ACT to determine how much air is going (should be going) through the MAF. If either of those is either bad or out of whack, the engine could certainly die. Beyond that, I don't know.
 

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It is kind of unclear what your asking, but if your asking if you unplug the maf while the car is running if it will die or not. It should keep running.
 

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To be clearer about my question....

Short answer:
After several repairs the car has been running rough (see long explanation below).
Last week while out-and-about I decided to stop the car, leave it running, pop the hood, and try the “unplug the MAF” maneuver that had been described in several forum posts. The second I unplugged the MAF, the car died. Plugged it back in, and the car started. I haven’t tried this again to verify it always dies. Therein my question.

For those interested in hearing the history behind the repairs I made, which may have caused this issue….read on……

Long answer:
(history behind what is turning into a CF) – [You’re one patient person to read through all this!]
:)

• I have a 93 ATX.
• Was having continual CE issues and throwing KOEO codes that pointed to DPFE/EGR problems. Both had been replaced recently, so I had the Ford Dealership look into it. They said the PCM needed to be replaced. I have a hard time believing that (since outside of the CE codes, it ran fine). I didn’t think those hardly ever failed, and since new replacements aren’t available, thought I'd do some research here on the SHOForum – before ordering a used one from SHO Source.
• Found enough evidence to suspect that the cheapo DPFE from Autozone might be bad (as others had experienced here).
• At the same time the KOER threw TPS and MAF codes.
• So…..bought the new Motorcraft replacement for the DPFE (with new plug adapter). And being the ****-retentive, OCD guy that I am, I went ahead and ordered a new TPS and used MAF at the same time – to be on the ‘safe’ side and fix all issues if possible.
• Right about the same time (just my luck…nothing can be easy), while driving to work one day, the rear wiring harness dropped down and rested on the rear exhaust heat shield, creating burning rubber. At that point the car seemed to begin to run rough – like it’s missing or running on only 5 cylinders. My immediate thought is that I burned through the wiring harness to the point that wires to/from the PCM were arcing on the metal and causing the engine to miss/misfire. Pulled the harness up out of the way and zip-tied it until I could inspect the damage.
• Now….here’s where I screwed up….. Spent a weekend doing all of the following (I know….dumb, dumb, dumb):
  • I uncoupled the rear harness, lifted it to inspect the burned area. The wrapping was burned slightly. Carefully slit the harness wrapping to check on the internal wires to see if any of them were burned through. NO internal wire damage! Carefully re-wrapped the harness in that spot with electrical tape, and zip-tied it safely out of the way of the exhaust manifold.
  • Replaced the DPFE with the new Motorcraft one,
  • Replaced the TPS (new),
  • Replaced the MAF (used one from RCM),
  • Replaced IAB/IAC (new) (old one had the black cap broken off – see explanation below)
  • Replaced the Throttle Body coolant housing that sits between the IAB/IAC and the manifold body. [I had removed it a couple of years ago when I decided to do the Throttle Body Coolant Bypass as described elsewhere on the forum here. Didn’t think I needed it at all anymore, as it appeared to no longer be of service in any way. I had noticed recently that by removing that housing/body and connecting the IAB/IAC directly to the manifold, it did NOT allow the gas vent/purge/accumulator (?) to vent from the manifold to the gas vapor purge solenoid (or is the venting vice-versa). The throttle body coolant housing has a small machined channel cut into it to allow this venting to occur (and its gasket is made for this too). By bolting the IAB/IAC directly to the manifold, the channel was no longer present, thereby cutting off this venting exchange. So…I mounted it back the way it should be, with proper gaskets mounted correctly.
  • And I even replaced the vacuum regulator (on the firewall that feeds the EGR)….a part I had bought new a long time ago but never installed.
• Car still running rough. Meaning....
  • Stuttering acceleration (like the engine is missing or running on only 5 cylinders) up to about 2800-3000 RPM, then running smoothly at higher speeds/RPMs.
  • When started cold, wants to die constantly once I put it in drive to pull away (does this sometimes too when hot, but not often).
  • Poor gas mileage.
  • Once the engine is warm, rich/chemical smell, seemingly coming into the passenger compartment. Stinks to high-heaven.
• Work done this last weekend to eliminate possibilities and reverse this issue:
  • Removed intake, and verified that all nostrils and channels to and from IAB/IAC and EGR were totally clear. (I had cleaned them thoroughly last year).
  • Removed EGR mounting tube from exhaust manifold (the one that sends exhaust pressure from the exhaust manifold up to the EGR and DPFE). Verified ALL passages clear of build up, including the two smaller tubes up to the DPFE.
  • Verified EGR working properly under mouth-induced-vacuum (watched the diaphragm pin move and open under vacuum).
  • New vacuum hoses installed for the secondaries and its vacuum regulator & canister that mount on the back of the manifold. New vacuum hose that runs between the fuel pressure regulator and the intake (at the end of the rails).
  • Loosened all silicone hose connectors on the intake manifold to give greatest flexibility in properly seating the manifold back on the engine, installed it with new gaskets, and verified each runner was mounted perfectly flush (eliminating possible vacuum leaks due to improper/cocked intake mounting). Then re-tightened all silicone hose clamps. (BTW… a new set of silicone hoses and claps were installed on the intake within a few months ago).
  • Verified that all plug wires run to the correct coil locations, including the frequently mistaken 5 & 6 wires (used the colored diagram posted in the sticky here on the forum). Checked out okay.
  • Car still running the same – rough and crappy.

• So… I decided to re-swap-out some of the parts one-at-a-time (the ones I didn’t throw out) to see if I can pinpoint what is causing the problem. Put the old vacuum regulator back in Saturday, and WOW….it seems to have fixed the problem!! No more rough running, purrs like a kitten and roars like a lion. Running perfectly all day Saturday! Concluded that the new vacuum regulator wasn’t working properly.

• Celebrated too soon. Driving car on Sunday. Midday... it starts running rough again. CE light coming on intermittently. Back to the same symptoms. By the end of the day yesterday (Monday) it started popping (backfiring?) on the way home.

• One additional, odd symptom to mention (not sure if it is impacting any of this)….. many months ago, while doing some work on the car, the black cap on the IAB/IAC broke off. I wasn’t sure what purpose that cap served, and couldn’t find anything about it searching the forum. So, I put a small amount of electrical tape over it to keep dirt out, but wrapped in such a way as to still allow some amount of venting/vacuum (which I assumed was the cap purpose). I immediately started noticing a whistling sucking sound faintly coming out of the engine compartment, but only when driving and I let off the gas pedal and start deceleration (and only when the radio was off so I could hear it, as it is faint sounding). I assumed it was air sucking into the IAB/IAC where that cap had been. I removed the tape out of curiosity, but the whistling/sucking sound didn’t change in any way. Since changing to a new IAB/IAC (same version with a black cap), it still make this sound in the same way, so it didn’t appear to be related to the cap after all. I thought it might be a vacuum leak elsewhere, but after taking the steps above to eliminate potential vacuum leaks, it still makes the sound in the same way. I don’t remember ever hearing this very faint sound before. This isn’t normal is it, and perhaps I never noticed in the past?

My plan now, is to read the new codes, and proceed from there. Which may or may not include swapping out the MAF with the old one. The fact that the car died when disconnecting the MAF concerns me now that you guys stated it should not happen. Old TPS is gone, so I can’t swap out that one. I am a bit concerned as to any nuances in mounting a new TPS, as I just removed the old one and installed the new one, hopefully getting it on correctly (never had replaced on before). I’m going to spray some WD-40 or carb cleaner around the secondaries to see if there might be a vacuum leak there. I’m going to check for water/oil in the plug wells, as well as the condition of the plugs and gaps. I don’t have another coil pack or DIS to swap. I’ll probably also pull the upper cover and check for any jumped teeth on the timing belt.

Maybe the Ford dealer was right....bad PCM (or bad now that its wires may have arced to the exhaust manifold)???

Sorry about the long winded response, but I know from reading thousands of posts here in the past to expect a bunch of questions, so I tried to answer most of them here.

I love this car.
:wave:
Jim
 
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The car will run off default failed MAF tables. This does not necessarily mean it will idle as the tables are set up for a stock new motor.
 

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When the MAF is unplugged, it basically runs as a speed density system instead of a mass air system.

The problem is that when the MAF is just unplugged, It can take the PCM a few seconds to compensate and in that time it's not unusual for the engine to stall.

True backfiring is almost always a mechanical timing problem. Incorrect plug wire routing or a failing cam sensor can also cause backfire-like symptoms.
 

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It was the Crankshaft Position Sensor

Follow-up ... to add closure to this thread (for anyone researching in the future).

Summary of symptoms:
1. ‘Sputtering’/missing at low RPMs & speed, but smooths out as speed/rpms increase.
2. Sluggish performance due to the sputtering.
3. Sometimes backfiring up through the intake manifold

My next steps:
  • Ran both KOEO & KOER - No fault codes at all.
  • Unplugged MAF & car ran better & smooth (didn't die this time). Swapped out MAF with another used one (sprayed with MAF cleaner for assurance). Car ran smooth for about ½ day, then rough again (sputtering/missing at low RPMs - smoothing out at higher RPMs/speed)
  • Changed PCM to used ’94 D4U1 version (since dealer told me previously that mine was bad). No change or improvement – still sputtering/missing and some popping/backfiring up through the intake.
  • Swapped out DIS with used one (used Arctic 5 heat-sink compound, and added ground wires from two lower screws directly to tower strut). No improvement - still sputtering/missing and popping/backfiring up through the intake.
  • Checked timing: Disassembled covers and harmonic balancer so I could check all three timing marks. Timing set-up perfect.
  • Replaced Crankshaft Position Sensor (since it was fully accessible). Car now runs perfect.

Thanks to all in the forum. Researching via the 'search' feature yields a ton of helpful advice!
Jim
 
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and now we get to add yet another failure mode of the CPS. It seems to me that the CPS didn't fail outright, but was almost skipping every third or fourth cycle? That might cause the symptoms you describe... not killing it outright but causing some sort of automotive equivalent to a TIA (that's transient ischemic attack to you non-"House" watchers :evilgrin:). In the higher RPMs, every third rev equals like a few microseconds so the miss wouldn't be nearly as noticeable.

Glad you found the problem. I'm just sorry we couldn't help more...
 

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and now we get to add yet another failure mode of the CPS. It seems to me that the CPS didn't fail outright, but was almost skipping every third or fourth cycle? That might cause the symptoms you describe... not killing it outright but causing some sort of automotive equivalent to a TIA (that's transient ischemic attack to you non-"House" watchers :evilgrin:). In the higher RPMs, every third rev equals like a few microseconds so the miss wouldn't be nearly as noticeable.
Glad you found the problem. I'm just sorry we couldn't help more...

Actually "you guys" DID help! Using the "search" feature, I went through years of posts reading about potential causes/solutions. I had a very exhaustive list of things to diagnose that I would NEVER have available otherwise.

I was ready to next move on to the wires/coil, cam sensor, etc., etc. had the crank sensor not solved the issue.

Thanks again!!
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I've used this forum for years, but have hardly ever posted, because I always find the solution to my problems by using the search feature. That's how good this place is!
:thankyou:

In reasearching a rough running issue I have, I've seen it mentioned to "try unplugging your MAF while the car is running". I've seen a couple of posts where someone did this and their car ran better, the consensus being that the MAF was bad.

I haven't seen reference to my situation.
What does it mean if I unplug the MAF while the vehicle is running - and the engine immediately dies?

I have a stock 93 ATX. I haven't run codes yet. Borrowing my brother's code reader in the next couple of days (I'm too impatient for the paper-clip method).
:)

Thanks,
Jim
does the car have to be running in order to unplug the maf ?
 

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does the car have to be running in order to unplug the maf ?
I would turn the car off before you start unplugging things.

On a side note, don't ask questions in threads that haven't seen the light of day for years. This one hasn't been posted in since 2009. Just start a new thread with your questions and concerns.

-Chad
 
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