LMS vs Gearhead "Canned Tunes" Comparison

[StealBlueSho]

Do you have an upgraded hpfp?


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Livernois Firestorm HPFP, yes.


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[Shhoebow]

Did you need to purchase a new computer (tuner ) or were you able to use the livernois tuner and just purchase the new file?

I New livewire ts+ for most of the tuners they are compatible.tou can also use the SCT X3 X4 to load GH tunes.most tuners use SCT it's a whole different tune.
As for LMS you need to buy there plug and play tuner and that limits you to just LMS with no data logging and many other options you will envy later.
I don't regret switching I actually found out from data logging my fuel was suffering under high boost then I found an exhaust leak that may have been the issue all along.

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[MHW100]

Matt from Gearhead is one **** of a guy, very responsive, knowledgeable, and honest! With his tune my car shifts lightning fast, it's amazing, more power and torque than LMS, and no WOT hesitation!

I think it was Stealblueshow in one of the FB forums that showed his drag results of GH vs LMS and there didn't appear to be any appreciable performance differences between the tunes.

 

[mattr66]

I think it was Stealblueshow in one of the FB forums that showed his drag results of GH vs LMS and there didn't appear to be any appreciable performance differences between the tunes.

Made 15+ hp on Gearhead and no drivability issues on Gearhead.

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[SM105K]

Made 15+ hp on Gearhead and no drivability issues on Gearhead.

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15+ hp Matt? Quit being modest......

 

[mattr66]

15+ hp Matt? Quit being modest......

Needs driver mod for launch too.... Too much extra powa....LOL

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[SM105K]

Needs driver mod for launch too.... Too much extra powa....LOL

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LOL, I sixty footed a 1.77 with more TQ then SBS. So yeah, it can always get better. Probably two tenth better on the big end.

 

[MHW100]

Made 15+ hp on Gearhead and no drivability issues on Gearhead.

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Oh ok. It looked like the quarter times were about the same.

 

[SM105K]

Oh ok. It looked like the quarter times were about the same.

They are, however the Gearhead tune makes 24 more hp and 36 more ft of torque. If SBS can launch the car better it goes 11's as is with the GH tune. The Livernois tune will not.

 

[Lostneye]

Oh ok. It looked like the quarter times were about the same.

They are but SBS said he had traction issues with GH. I'm sure he will chime in.

I agree, once he gets the launch down with the new mods the car should break 11s as it is.

 

[MHW100]

What's GH doing different and is this extra power over LMS potentially detrimental in any way? I appreciate that that LMS has a long and safe history . I'm not saying GH isn't safe but there isn't a history to substantiate its safety .

 

[OmaHahn]

What's GH doing different and is this extra power over LMS potentially detrimental in any way? I appreciate that that LMS has a long and safe history . I'm not saying GH isn't safe but there isn't a history to substantiate its safety .

Go back and read this entire thread! LMS was about to blow my engine and transmission up! I had LMS since about 500 miles on the car and the last year it would completely miss shifts and act like it popped into neutral and would hit the rev limiter and smoke billow out my exhaust! Then, on the highway under WOT, there was horrible hesitation. Then LMS was blaming everything but their tune.
GH gave me much better numbers on the dyno than LMS and the shifting is literally a million times better and no WOT hesitation. LMS served me very well for about 4 of the 5 years I used them - but again read this thread and all the people's comments and then read the thread title LMS Bounces off Rev Limiter.

 

[StealBlueSho]

They are but SBS said he had traction issues with GH. I'm sure he will chime in.

I agree, once he gets the launch down with the new mods the car should break 11s as it is.

Yes, I had traction issues this go around... I tried launching from 1700rpms x 2, 1800rpms, and 2000rpms... my best times were at 1700rpms and still spun. My Pzeros are almost at the wear indicator. Best was a 1.860 60ft with GH..

I cut a 1.810 60ft with the LMS tune on the same day. LMS also has significantly less torque down low.

Last year I cut a 1.801 with GH E30 before the updated tune/IC from Matt. Also, my tires were in much better condition.

There are DRASTIC differences on the trans tuning between LMS and GH. LMS has BPD1151 running his stock trans/TC/PTU/RDU and holds the record. Never heard many LMS tuned cars with trans issues...

The load difference is substantial as well between the tunes. I asked Matt about it, he said we are pushing the turbos past efficiency so there is less return on the extra boost. LMS ran much less load which would be easier on the motor...

GH runs more load and runs a much different trans strategy but if you can nail the launch, it has more in it. I was switching between tunes, had tires that are done, and forgot my tire pressure gauge so I didn’t really get to keep them correct or play with them.

Give me a day with a single tune and time to play with tire pressure... my 60ft will get better.






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[StealBlueSho]

They are, however the Gearhead tune makes 24 more hp and 36 more ft of torque. If SBS can launch the car better it goes 11's as is with the GH tune. The Livernois tune will not.

Interesting... agreed. Better tires would get me there for sure.... add downpipes and both tunes are in the 11’’s

Curious though.... yours had more torque, but what does the torque curve look like? I’m at 400+ torque almost instantly.


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[MHW100]

Go back and read this entire thread! LMS was about to blow my engine and transmission up! I had LMS since about 500 miles on the car and the last year it would completely miss shifts and act like it popped into neutral and would hit the rev limiter and smoke billow out my exhaust! Then, on the highway under WOT, there was horrible hesitation. Then LMS was blaming everything but their tune.
GH gave me much better numbers on the dyno than LMS and the shifting is literally a million times better and no WOT hesitation. LMS served me very well for about 4 of the 5 years I used them - but again read this thread and all the people's comments and then read the thread title LMS Bounces off Rev Limiter.

I did . Certainly seems to have affected some out of the blue. How many though over all the cars this tune is on over all of the years and in your case for 5 years? Sounds like a small number if those two threads are any indication although that's irrelevant to those afflicted .

I was experiencing some hesitation too but it cleared up I'm assuming when the weather changed .

In any case hopefully the GH tune will stand the test of time like LMS has .

 

[MHW100]

Yes, I had traction issues this go around... I tried launching from 1700rpms x 2, 1800rpms, and 2000rpms... my best times were at 1700rpms and still spun. My Pzeros are almost at the wear indicator. Best was a 1.860 60ft with GH..

I cut a 1.810 60ft with the LMS tune on the same day. LMS also has significantly less torque down low.

Last year I cut a 1.801 with GH E30 before the updated tune/IC from Matt. Also, my tires were in much better condition.

There are DRASTIC differences on the trans tuning between LMS and GH. LMS has BPD1151 running his stock trans/TC/PTU/RDU and holds the record. Never heard many LMS tuned cars with trans issues...

The load difference is substantial as well between the tunes. I asked Matt about it, he said we are pushing the turbos past efficiency so there is less return on the extra boost. LMS ran much less load which would be easier on the motor...

GH runs more load and runs a much different trans strategy but if you can nail the launch, it has more in it. I was switching between tunes, had tires that are done, and forgot my tire pressure gauge so I didn’t really get to keep them correct or play with them.

Give me a day with a single tune and time to play with tire pressure... my 60ft will get better.






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Interesting LMS put less load on the engine yet was able to produce the same drag times .

 

[mattr66]

Interesting LMS put less load on the engine yet was able to produce the same drag times .

You read the traction issue part?

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[BamSHO]

Get off SBS back. He is a causal track racer, him and I were in contact during his track session. He was asking my advice, cause he knew I competition raced my 'l3. I was helping him with launch rpm and tire pressures, cause the front will build pressure due to heat from the motor. I was trying to help him get the best results for each tune. I ran my '13 at Cecil and pulled low 1.7 60fts launching at 2200 on a meth tune. So like I said before, if you can't put the power to the ground, it means nothing.

Everyone likes who they like in tuners, but I can honestly say Livernois tunes hold up to full season of racing with no issues. One season in my 2012, with a 3rd, next year in my '13 and claimed the title. That is every Friday night from being of April till end of Oct. So you do the math.

 

[mattr66]

And for reference we regularly run the gen 1 trucks above 1.9 load/same lambda and the internals of the sho are similar enough to call them the same from a durability standpoint. The SHO has yet to run that much airflow with my tuning on board...

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[OmaHahn]

I did . Certainly seems to have affected some out of the blue. How many though over all the cars this tune is on over all of the years and in your case for 5 years? Sounds like a small number if those two threads are any indication although that's irrelevant to those afflicted .

I was experiencing some hesitation too but it cleared up I'm assuming when the weather changed .

In any case hopefully the GH tune will stand the test of time like LMS has .

"Some?" What's concerning is how does a great product & service go bad all of a sudden? Usually the other way around. There's other forums too, there's a ton of people with LMS issues, not some. But if you read this thread I am not out to bad-mouth them or disparage in any way. Anthony at LMS deserves to be their CCSO, Chief Customer Service Officer, he's amazing! But they did nothing to resolve my issues.