Shokev
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How good is the tune from liver noise and how reliable is. Has anyone had any problems with it
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Livernois tune
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SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-tunes-comparison.138578/page-22#post-1510554
Here is 24 pages of Livernois problems.
https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...s-off-rev-limiter.138591/page-21#post-1504571
Here is another 22 pages of Livernois problems.
Read through them and you tell me?
Their tunes are great for the 10-12 cars. For the 13+ cars they have problem with fuel pressure and shifting issues.
I personally wouldn't let them tune my lawnmower, much less my SHO.
Here is 24 pages of Livernois problems.
https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...s-off-rev-limiter.138591/page-21#post-1504571
Here is another 22 pages of Livernois problems.
Read through them and you tell me?
Their tunes are great for the 10-12 cars. For the 13+ cars they have problem with fuel pressure and shifting issues.
I personally wouldn't let them tune my lawnmower, much less my SHO.
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Shokev
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StealBlueSho
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Can’t go wrong with Gearhead... auto octane tunes, E30, developed an IC for this platform along with turbos...
Only tuner I am letting touch my car.
For the record I had LMS on my 2010 and 2016... I for one will not be giving them another dime.
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Only tuner I am letting touch my car.
For the record I had LMS on my 2010 and 2016... I for one will not be giving them another dime.
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Shokev
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Everyone seems to be saying Gearhead is s better option
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StealBlueSho
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Yes, for a lot of reasons. There is no other tuner right now that is developing as fast as GH. They have in house cars they verify their tunes with on their in house dyno and polish off on the street.
Only company that has a single tune for 87-94 octane fuels so you don’t need to switch.
Only SCT tuner that has a plug and play tune.
All their tunes are actually engineered and not guessed at. All the parts they recommend and/or sell are backed by solid science..
And the post sales support is top notch....
I could go on... but there is a reason Gearhead is quickly becoming the standard in SHO tuning.
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SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
You seem to be brand new to the platform.
Everything you need to know is here.
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/sm105ks-ownership-performance-maintenance-thread.138235/
I also recommend doing your research about tuners and devices. All can be found using the search function. I aslo recommend GH but I am tuned by AJPTurbo.
Everything you need to know is here.
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/sm105ks-ownership-performance-maintenance-thread.138235/
I also recommend doing your research about tuners and devices. All can be found using the search function. I aslo recommend GH but I am tuned by AJPTurbo.
Shokev
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limited02
SHO Member
I currently run a Livernois 93 tune on my '12 MKS and it works great. I have had 0 issues with the tune and customer service has been great the last 3+ years and 40K+ miles. I've run a best of 13.1 @ 4590lbs with the 93+X tune and it's a hoot.
The 13+ shift issues should be resolved now, but due to how they handled it and other things, several members jumped ship to Gearhead and they have been beyond pleased. Their cars perform on a level beyond what LMS was offering and the auto-octane option is something I wish I had. AJPturbo has been around a while and doing solid work too and worth strongly considering. It's a toss-up for me between the two since either will do the job.
I was drinking the LMS kool-aid since I learned of them back when they started tuning the 2010 SHO. I knew if I ever got a ride they could tune, they were without a doubt tuning it. Since then, the kool-aid hasn't been tasting as good and there are new flavors worth sipping.
The 13+ shift issues should be resolved now, but due to how they handled it and other things, several members jumped ship to Gearhead and they have been beyond pleased. Their cars perform on a level beyond what LMS was offering and the auto-octane option is something I wish I had. AJPturbo has been around a while and doing solid work too and worth strongly considering. It's a toss-up for me between the two since either will do the job.
I was drinking the LMS kool-aid since I learned of them back when they started tuning the 2010 SHO. I knew if I ever got a ride they could tune, they were without a doubt tuning it. Since then, the kool-aid hasn't been tasting as good and there are new flavors worth sipping.
Shokev
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limited02
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You really can't go wrong with either. It used to be if you wanted to data log, you go to Unleashed. If you wanted to load a tune and run just as fast without all the in-between, you go LMS. There are now several options for data logging and I believe LMS is about to enter that field as well with their new MyCal touch.
mrhighcaliber
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I have a 2010. Livernois 93-100 race tune. I have meth tune as well. I love the race tune. I've had it for years. It's been revised a few times for modifications to the vehicle and preference adjustments for shifting. I have their alky methanol system, downpipes, tuner and several tune revisions. I've had good experiences with them. I recommend them if youre not trying to make max power. Great power and reliability is what I know them for. Customer service isn't as good as it once was.
The 2013+ seems to have issues with the old v11 tune holding fuel pressure at high rpms in certain temps causing the pcm to freak out and hit the rev limiter as of it's gone into neutral on occasion. They've revised the tune since, albeit with a bit less power than before.
The bad is that their customer service is hit or miss.
They seem to have a very---- political method for handling things sometimes.
My main issue is that a lead calibrator told me they could not dyno tune my standard meth system (their brand, purchased through them 2weeks earlier) and that I would need to upgrade to their direct port meth system that they recently released that is only installed by them! (Hmmmm).
There are quite a few LMS shos and flexs Dyno tuned with the standard spray meth system.
I still recommend LMS. But only for individuals who dont have a history mod or power addiction. If you're planning on mods past cold air intake, Downpipes etc, such as upgraded turbos; my opinion is that they have limited growth potential, while being quite expensive.
I've since upgraded turbos and Intercooler, and I'm going to be past the power levels of what LMS will dyno tune me for.
I took SBS advice a year ago and purchased a SCT tuner and GearHead tune. Im finally gonna start logging this week. GH has given the platform new life with their Intercooler, turbos and tuning ability.
Alot of the other more popular and recent platforms (f150, mustang, focus st/RS) customers have been pretty happy with LMS. I think the sho just isn't worth their time any more.
GH, BrewcityBoost, Unleashed, and AjpTurbo all use the SCT tuning platform. So you can be a bit of a tuning whore to find the right one, if you like. (*Cough* SBS
)
LMS has their own proprietary tuning platform/device.
In my opinion, the question is how far do you want to go?
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The 2013+ seems to have issues with the old v11 tune holding fuel pressure at high rpms in certain temps causing the pcm to freak out and hit the rev limiter as of it's gone into neutral on occasion. They've revised the tune since, albeit with a bit less power than before.
The bad is that their customer service is hit or miss.
They seem to have a very---- political method for handling things sometimes.
My main issue is that a lead calibrator told me they could not dyno tune my standard meth system (their brand, purchased through them 2weeks earlier) and that I would need to upgrade to their direct port meth system that they recently released that is only installed by them! (Hmmmm).
There are quite a few LMS shos and flexs Dyno tuned with the standard spray meth system.
I still recommend LMS. But only for individuals who dont have a history mod or power addiction. If you're planning on mods past cold air intake, Downpipes etc, such as upgraded turbos; my opinion is that they have limited growth potential, while being quite expensive.
I've since upgraded turbos and Intercooler, and I'm going to be past the power levels of what LMS will dyno tune me for.
I took SBS advice a year ago and purchased a SCT tuner and GearHead tune. Im finally gonna start logging this week. GH has given the platform new life with their Intercooler, turbos and tuning ability.
Alot of the other more popular and recent platforms (f150, mustang, focus st/RS) customers have been pretty happy with LMS. I think the sho just isn't worth their time any more.
GH, BrewcityBoost, Unleashed, and AjpTurbo all use the SCT tuning platform. So you can be a bit of a tuning whore to find the right one, if you like. (*Cough* SBS
)LMS has their own proprietary tuning platform/device.
In my opinion, the question is how far do you want to go?
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SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
The question is....why was my E30 tune only 13 faster then 95% of the LMS 93 race tuned meth cars? Why is my fuel pressure stable, makes more power, runs better, and has zero shifting issues regardless of temp?
We know why, LMS just won't come out and say it. They would rather remain coy and upsell you products that will fix their poor tuning methods. I.E. Upgraded Fuel Pump, Direct Port Meth Injection, new CC....ect.
We know why, LMS just won't come out and say it. They would rather remain coy and upsell you products that will fix their poor tuning methods. I.E. Upgraded Fuel Pump, Direct Port Meth Injection, new CC....ect.
jasoncw
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Not sure if I've seen it on here yet, but has anyone used 5 Star Tuning yet for their SHO? I know they have been tuning several Ford eco engines, as I follow them on FB. Their FB cover page is a 2.7L F-150 that put down 540 WHP - not sure on mods, and they are currently tuning a 3.5L Expy (currently 464/551 at the wheels with SPD Downpipe with high flo cats, Mishimoto intercooler and S&B Intake).
Only asking becuase they are considered the tuner for the Ford 6.8 V10 (which is in my other vehicle). But maybe that's because no one else wants to tune the gas hog 6.8??
Only asking becuase they are considered the tuner for the Ford 6.8 V10 (which is in my other vehicle). But maybe that's because no one else wants to tune the gas hog 6.8??
SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
The EB's in the truck are stronger and more efficient then the ones in the SHO. IIRC they are fully forged, bigger turbos, and their blocks are completely different then the SHO because they are not transverse. Also their transmissions are stronger. They have the ability to make more power, because they just that more advanced.
I would go with AJPTurbo or Gearhead personally. They know the platform and they are good.
I would go with AJPTurbo or Gearhead personally. They know the platform and they are good.
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5Star specializes in the truck side of the Ecoboost world, not too much toe-dipping in transverse engine setups.
Also when quoting the Expy, realize that the engine in the Gen 2 phase now, with dual injection setup, and is a very different animal than the Gen 1 setup.
The real problem, again, is not really the engine. It is the lack of a transmission/AWD combo that can withstand the higher power output day after day.
Also when quoting the Expy, realize that the engine in the Gen 2 phase now, with dual injection setup, and is a very different animal than the Gen 1 setup.
The real problem, again, is not really the engine. It is the lack of a transmission/AWD combo that can withstand the higher power output day after day.
They have a good rep in truck world but as SM105K mentions that is a different animal. The transverse 3.5EB is not the same, different turbos, internals, transmissions, and the transverse motor does not have variable cam timing on both banks like at least the newer truck motors do. Personally I would stick to a tuner that has more experience with them. I left LMS for Gearhead and am very happy.Not sure if I've seen it on here yet, but has anyone used 5 Star Tuning yet for their SHO? I know they have been tuning several Ford eco engines, as I follow them on FB. Their FB cover page is a 2.7L F-150 that put down 540 WHP - not sure on mods, and they are currently tuning a 3.5L Expy (currently 464/551 at the wheels with SPD Downpipe with high flo cats, Mishimoto intercooler and S&B Intake).
Only asking becuase they are considered the tuner for the Ford 6.8 V10 (which is in my other vehicle). But maybe that's because no one else wants to tune the gas hog 6.8??
Not understanding why they couldn't dyno tune you car.
I had Livernois install the alky controls and dyno tune my 2015 sho in the summer of 2016, not even 2 year after I drove it off the showroom. Other than their catted DP and MAP, the car has stock intake, stock exhaust, mufflers, etc. and no other mods. It has been DD flawless since and accumulated 50k miles and no changes. Obviously canned tunes and dyno tunes are 2 different animals. Not everyone hates Livernois.
