Jordan's Rebuild Plan of action

[Ecoboost_xsport]

We will find out here soon....

Yeah, I feel like a lot of numbers keep getting thrown around, but nobody truly knows the limits. The only trans failure I've actually heard about was Mike at EPPs Flex. And it wasn't troubleshot (troubleshooted?) To find out what exactly failed in it. Would have been great to know. I've heard that some sort of retaining clips has been known to fail but didn't appear related to power levels....idk. We are all just shooting in the dark I think...

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of numbers keep getting thrown around, but nobody truly knows the limits. The only trans failure I've actually heard about was Mike at EPPs Flex. And it wasn't troubleshot (troubleshooted?) To find out what exactly failed in it. Would have been great to know. I've heard that some sort of retaining clips has been known to fail but didn't appear related to power levels....idk. We are all just shooting in the dark I think...

Yes the snap rings on the drum for the 2-3 shift is very undersized and has been the failure point on most I've seen. Machining out the groove and adding a beefier snap ring has proven well for those who have upgraded it, but as for actual power limits the 6f55 is techically rated for 550 lb-ft of torque, but the actual yield or failure point SHOULD be 1.5x that based on typically engineering safety measures. But we all know how things get when the bean counters get involved...

 

[Zpak]

My Torque converter started limping at 30K. Finally bad enough to replicate for the Ford tech at 59k. And that was bone stock.

Also, @FiveLeeter918 I’m almost positive the “55” relating to 550 torque is measured in Newton Meters not foot lbs. which makes it even worse.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

My Torque converter started limping at 30K. Finally bad enough to replicate for the Ford tech at 59k. And that was bone stock.

Also, @FiveLeeter918 I’m almost positive the “55” relating to 550 torque is measured in Newton Meters not foot lbs. which makes it even worse.

If that were the case you'd see a soft limit of 400 lb-ft of torque, plus whatever safety factor they used. 1.5x would put you around the 600 lb-ft mark, and @bpd1151 commented on another post that they talked to a Ford engineer that said the yield point was around 720 lb-ft at the crank, so could be correct.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

If that were the case you'd see a soft limit of 400 lb-ft of torque, plus whatever safety factor they used. 1.5x would put you around the 600 lb-ft mark, and I think I saw someone in here comment on another post that they talked to a Ford engineer that said the yield point was around 650 lb-ft, so could be correct.

I think that was @bpd1151

 

[StealBlueSho]

If that were the case you'd see a soft limit of 400 lb-ft of torque, plus whatever safety factor they used. 1.5x would put you around the 600 lb-ft mark, and @bpd1151 commented on another post that they talked to a Ford engineer that said the yield point was around 720 lb-ft at the crank, so could be correct.

@bpd1151 got that information from the ford engineers when he visited the Chicago plant if I remember correct.

 

[SM105K]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of numbers keep getting thrown around, but nobody truly knows the limits. The only trans failure I've actually heard about was Mike at EPPs Flex. And it wasn't troubleshot (troubleshooted?) To find out what exactly failed in it. Would have been great to know. I've heard that some sort of retaining clips has been known to fail but didn't appear related to power levels....idk. We are all just shooting in the dark I think...

Yes the snap rings on the drum for the 2-3 shift is very undersized and has been the failure point on most I've seen. Machining out the groove and adding a beefier snap ring has proven well for those who have upgraded it, but as for actual power limits the 6f55 is techically rated for 550 lb-ft of torque, but the actual yield or failure point SHOULD be 1.5x that based on typically engineering safety measures. But we all know how things get when the bean counters get involved...

Ask me how I know about that snap ring....

 

[StealBlueSho]

Ask me how I know about that snap ring....

How do you know about that snap ring....?

 

[SM105K]

How do you know about that snap ring....?

Mine failed!!!!!!!!!! Cost me $4887.13 out the door.

 

[Jordan_R]

I doubt it, you have gone through lots of iterations at this point with two different sets of turbos, ebays rebuilds, couple different exhausts, nitrous, methanol, intake systems, new block, new crank, new pistons, new rods, heads being done, new torque converter etc etc.... granted I know you have had vendors sponsor some of your stuff.

Not trying to be snarky as you put it. But it adds up, I think your point on costs at this point are moot.

However, my point still stands, sounds like you are doing a lot of work to get back to where you were but perhaps slightly more.

Just would think your goals would be loftier.

Still pretty well under 10 grand since owning the car. Once she's done probably be a hair over if we want to get into specifics. Given like you said a lot of it is iterations over time. Doing your own work saves a lot of monies.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Still pretty well under 10 grand since owning the car. Once she's done probably be a hair over if we want to get into specifics. Given like you said a lot of it is iterations over time. Doing your own work saves a lot of monies.

Agreed on the saving monies. Luckily the only portion I paid for was the turbos which was $900 in labor including a couple items I had them do while everything was out.

But quality parts cost money no doubt. I could have gone cheaper on stuff, but didn’t want to deal with having to go through multiple iterations of stuff. Sometimes spending money up front on quality saves you money in the long run.

 

[Jordan_R]

Agreed on the saving monies. Luckily the only portion I paid for was the turbos which was $900 in labor including a couple items I had them do while everything was out.

But quality parts cost money no doubt. I could have gone cheaper on stuff, but didn’t want to deal with having to go through multiple iterations of stuff. Sometimes spending money up front on quality saves you money in the long run.

Building the motor I'll be around 3k on the complete set up I could only imagine if I wasn't doing the work myself. Got quoted 2k for engine removal and reassembly, not including machining of problematic clearances. All in all its not an expensive time and something that definitely needed to happen sooner or later. Luckily the motor knock knock didn't take out anything else so plans just got pushed ahead from 2021 to 2020. Already had something sorted in 2021 lol.

All this being said if I didn't have help and sponsors and those willing to work with me on parts I wouldn't bother, however I kind of owe this platform some further pushing. So here it goes!

 

[StealBlueSho]

Go get em tiger!

 

[76FoMoCo]

great read! I am full bolt on's and Brad is asking how far I wan't to go... (.) for me I'm happy for a 12.0 car at 3-5k DA!

 

[bpd1151]

Go get em tiger!

RAWRRRRRR

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[Jordan_R]

You guys like parts? A ton of this is excessive but I figure I may as well just drop the cash on replacing basically every single gasket

 

[StealBlueSho]

RAWRRRRRR

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Fixed it for ya...

 

[bpd1151]

Haha. Awe. Look at our beloved lil J.....

So cuddly and cute and what not.

RAWR x2!

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[GotGrip?]

Fixed it for ya...

That's enough internet for today.

 

[Jordan_R]

Y'all are too much