Is there a stock oil separator?

[Eric Hardy]

i have my SHO at the ford dealership to try and get the oil out of the intercooler. The guy is telling me the oil separator might not be working? Is there one in these cars? It sounds like they don't want to fix the issue of getting the oil out and I told them there is oil in the intercooler. He said he is gonna contact ford hotline on the issue.

 

[SHOdded]

I believe there is one as part of the PCV system (toward the firewall side of the engine), and there is also the valve cover baffle design to combat this problem. The 2013+ have a TSB out to replace the old valve cover with an updated one (composite instead of metal IIRC).

They won't stick in a tube and vacuum out the intercooler? No holes need be drilled or anything. Very safe.

 

[Eric Hardy]

He did say something about it being in the back I believe and also about something with the valve cover. I think he was going to check on the tsb unless that's what he looked up. I'm waiting for a call back. I was explaining to him that it needs to be sucked out of the intercooler so idk if they are or not I would think there gonna.

 

[SHOdded]

If they get Ford engineering involved, they might service the intercooler. Maybe an experienced tech will take it upon himself to do it

 

[BlueSHO]

I'd love to see a picture of this factory oil separator..

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[Eric Hardy]

If they get Ford engineering involved, they might service the intercooler. Maybe an experienced tech will take it upon himself to do it

They better get someone involved. Isn't there a way we can get people together to get a tsb on this problem or get something done that they take this problem serious. It still boggles my mind that these dealerships never heard of this especially if they have to replace engines and what not.

 

[SHOdded]

Well, they issued the valve cover TSB, so if we can figure out what motivated them to do THAT, ...

 

[Eric Hardy]

Well, they issued the valve cover TSB, so if we can figure out what motivated them to do THAT, ...

Is that new valve cover actually fixing the problem then? Or is there more to this?

 

[EcoBoostSHO]

I have the new valve cover via the TSB and still seem to get oil in my intake tract...nothing excessive that I can see but enough to wipe out with a rag once in awhile. I will be checking the intercooler once warmer weather hits. I've only got 30k miles on the car though and cleaned it out before the valve cover got swapped - I think I was at about 24k at the time.

 

[SHOdded]

Is that new valve cover actually fixing the problem then? Or is there more to this?

The valve cover definitely helps, but does not eliminate the problem. In fact, once enough of the new part was available, it was implemented in production. If the valve cover up front is composite, very good likelihood the back cover is the updated one.

Most of the cars don't seem to suffer from an excessive PCV problem, a few do. If yours has a verified problem, and this may be more prevalent in cold weather, a catch can will help handle things. Another angle to try is using a high quality low volatility full synthetic motor oil like Amsoil. It should also cut down the problem at the source.

 

[BlueSHO]

The valve cover definitely helps, but does not eliminate the problem. In fact, once enough of the new part was available, it was implemented in production. If the valve cover up front is composite, very good likelihood the back cover is the updated one.

Most of the cars don't seem to suffer from an excessive PCV problem, a few do. If yours has a verified problem, and this may be more prevalent in cold weather, a catch can will help handle things. Another angle to try is using a high quality low volatility full synthetic motor oil like Amsoil. It should also cut down the problem at the source.

So to ID a composite valve cover use a magnet?

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[Eric Hardy]

I have the new valve cover via the TSB and still seem to get oil in my intake tract...nothing excessive that I can see but enough to wipe out with a rag once in awhile. I will be checking the intercooler once warmer weather hits. I've only got 30k miles on the car though and cleaned it out before the valve cover got swapped - I think I was at about 24k at the time.

I don't have the new valve cover in mine. I wiped the oil out a couple months ago and there was more in there from what the guy told me this morning. Mine has 31k and I have oil in my intercooler. Definitely check it out.

 

[SHOdded]

Can't say for sure whether it's 100% metal free, but I would think so. Don't use too strong a magnet The color is also different. Apparently there's no weight savings? Curiouser and curiouser ...

As an aside, I would like to thank the (unnamed) person who constantly comes up with this informative stuff!

A small but technical discussion on PCV issues with the Ecoboost, read, draw your own conclusions. Remember that the catch can discussed here was developed primarily for the F150 EB.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2142.0

 

[Eric Hardy]

The valve cover definitely helps, but does not eliminate the problem. In fact, once enough of the new part was available, it was implemented in production. If the valve cover up front is composite, very good likelihood the back cover is the updated one.

Most of the cars don't seem to suffer from an excessive PCV problem, a few do. If yours has a verified problem, and this may be more prevalent in cold weather, a catch can will help handle things. Another angle to try is using a high quality low volatility full synthetic motor oil like Amsoil. It should also cut down the problem at the source.

I can't believe it don't fix it all together. I know I don't have the new one cause today is the first I heard about it from you. Plus it's the first time I took it to the dealer with this issue. Won't a catch can void the warranty though? Idk how bad mine really is I just know it has oil in the intercooler not as bad as others but it still shouldn't be there regardless of how much

 

[SHOdded]

I'd wait till they hear back from Ford, and hopefully authorize the the new valve cover to be installed. Seems to me like you have a no-brainer case made here, especially from an emissions (the G-O-D topic) point of view. If the new valve cover does not fix the issue, may have to look to more non-Ford solutions. Yeah, catch can might void warranty as with any aftermarket component, if they can prove it to be cause of failure. If you have a mod-friendly dealer, make the decision that much easier for sure.

 

[Eric Hardy]

I'd wait till they hear back from Ford, and hopefully authorize the the new valve cover to be installed. Seems to me like you have a no-brainer case made here, especially from an emissions (the G-O-D topic) point of view. If the new valve cover does not fix the issue, may have to look to more non-Ford solutions. Yeah, catch can might void warranty as with any aftermarket component, if they can prove it to be cause of failure. If you have a mod-friendly dealer, make the decision that much easier for sure.

Hopefully they give me a call tomorrow about it and go ahead and put a new valve cover in it and hope to god it fixes the issue but I highly doubt it. I figured that catch can would. There is no mod friendly dealers near me I know that for sure I hate to even ask them about something like that it's like they look for anything to void your warranty just so you have to pay

 

[Eric Hardy]

I'd wait till they hear back from Ford, and hopefully authorize the the new valve cover to be installed. Seems to me like you have a no-brainer case made here, especially from an emissions (the G-O-D topic) point of view. If the new valve cover does not fix the issue, may have to look to more non-Ford solutions. Yeah, catch can might void warranty as with any aftermarket component, if they can prove it to be cause of failure. If you have a mod-friendly dealer, make the decision that much easier for sure.

I talked to the guy that is working on my car yesterday. They replaced that valve cover and I guess the oil separator. He also took the intercooler out and said there was no oil in it and that he was going to flush it out. Ford hotline said that oil residue is normal in the hose going to the intercooler. I guess it's just a matter of time until I see if that stuff fixed the issue. That stuff will be covered by a warranty correct? Thanks for your help shodded

 

[SHOdded]

Good to hear! The valve cover should be covered if you have existing warranty, maybe under emissions warranty as well. Not sure about the IC/flush procedure. Hopefully the dealership will work it in as part of the warranty work, or at the very least, give you a good price on the work. A misting of oil is normal, pooling is not.

 

[Eric Hardy]

Good to hear! The valve cover should be covered if you have existing warranty, maybe under emissions warranty as well. Not sure about the IC/flush procedure. Hopefully the dealership will work it in as part of the warranty work, or at the very least, give you a good price on the work. A misting of oil is normal, pooling is not.

I have the certified pre owned warranty so I'm pretty sure it would be I guess I will know when I go to get it. They should cause the first time I took my car there they didn't fix the number pad right it was coming off and when I went there the other day I told them about it and wasn't happy

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

Update? I have same problem and certified, dealer said not covered, wants 750 and tax and misc and bend over fee...so much oil killed bank 2 cat, which they replaced under emissions warranty. Valve covers and gaskets covered, but not this time because they aren't bad. But the oil separator is bad, new revised separator doesn't fit old valve covers. WTH