Gen IV SHO

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Diamond Jim

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Mels said:
It'd be interesting to see how you engineered things compared to the way NESHO had engineered theirs. :thumb:

I think there was way more engineering needed to put the '97 motor into the '03 and still make all of the features work. There was a major electrical system change between 07 and 98 that carried into the GenIV cars. The six year model split made it a real PITA to do. It wasn't too hard to make the '97 Motor like the '03 car, but making the '03 car like the '97 motor was a real challenge.
 

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Diamond Jim said:
There was a major electrical system change between 07 and 98 that carried into the GenIV cars.

Jim, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I understand what you mean though, could you explain it to me a little more clearly? Thanks.

I'm really looking forward to checking these two cars out side-by-side this Summer. My wife has been interested in a gen IV for awhile now, but was turned off by the V6. Seeing you fellas down in GA making strides too like Kirk at NESHO had, gives me a glimmer of hope that I might be able to surprise my bride with a V8 gen IV sooner than later.

Any chance that your version will be able to make it up to Carlisle? I hear Kirks' V8 gen IV is registered and on the road, so I'm guessing his will be there. :thumb:
 

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Mel, you should have been up at the shop this weekend, Kirks Gen IV is FUUUUUUNNNNNN.

A camcorder was just picked up so there will be video of the NESHO Gen IV soon. Custom exhaust (LOUD :naughty:) and all the other custom work ...... dayum it is nice.
 

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Boy you sure know how to hurt a guy, Randy. :biggrin:

Too bad these two cars are so far apart, I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see a heads-up comparison :thumb:
 

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Mels said:
Congratulations! You should bring that to the convention, and park it next to Kirks' Gen 4 "SHO". It'd be interesting to see how you engineered things compared to the way NESHO had engineered theirs. :thumb:

Unfortunately, this car is going back to its rightful owner who lives in Tacoma, WA. It will be his right to park his car next to the second Gen IV SHO if he wishes.

He will even have a paid invoice with sales tax.
 
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Mels said:
Jim, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I understand what you mean though, could you explain it to me a little more clearly? Thanks.

I'd love to share the details with you but since I did this job under a contract, I signed a non-disclosure agreement before I started.
 
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I take it there isn't any clearance issues since you kept the factory hood? Good job on the project and glad to see it running and driving!
 

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SHO Dude said:
Unfortunately, this car is going back to its rightful owner who lives in Tacoma, WA. It will be his right to park his car next to the second Gen IV SHO if he wishes.

He will even have a paid invoice with sales tax.

Tacoma huh? No chance he'd let you debut his car at the All Ford Nationals in Carlisle June 1, 2 & 3? Well, if not, let's hope that owner makes it out to the convention with the car!

Jim I dig what you're implying concerning the wiring specifics, you just have me confused in your statement "There was a major electrical system change between 07 and 98 that carried into the GenIV cars." That's what I was hoping you could clear up.

Oh well, good going fellas. Good to see another one :thumb:
 

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Mels said:
"There was a major electrical system change between 07 and 98 that carried into the GenIV cars." That's what I was hoping you could clear up.

That was a typo... What I meant was there was a major design change between 97 and 98 and many of the changes carried into the the 2000 and up cars.
Putting a 98 or 99 SHO motor into a 2000 or up car would be a cakewalk compared to what Doug and I had to do.
There was no problem making the engine/transmission work correctly, but we had to perform some real magic in order to make the car like the older PCM.
But the good news is that with what we learned on this car we can now put ANYTHING into ANYTHING and make it work. This project not only benefits the SHO community but the performance industry as well.
This SHO transplant wasn't really anything special, just another day at work for us. Like Doug said, present and future projects include several 4.6L DOHC transplants into early 70's mustangs complete with all of the modern day technology.
 

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Diamond Jim said:
That was a typo... What I meant was there was a major design change between 97 and 98 and many of the changes carried into the the 2000 and up cars.
Putting a 98 or 99 SHO motor into a 2000 or up car would be a cakewalk compared to what Doug and I had to do.
There was no problem making the engine/transmission work correctly, but we had to perform some real magic in order to make the car like the older PCM.
I respectfully disagree.

There are maybe 6 circuit differences at the C130 connector between a '96/'97 harness and a '98/'99 harness. Now, perhaps since my background for nearly 20 years before playing with these cars was EE, it just came easier to me, but all in all sitting down with two sets of wiring diagrams from the different years (which even calling them diagrams is generous, certainly the word schematic was not in the technical repertoire of whomever put them together) only took about 4 hours to figure out and draw a new schematic of the wiring changes needed to integrate the factory V8SHO harness and PCM into the stock Gen 4 chassis harness. Actual implementation of the changes took probably about 20 hours to do it properly and make it so that anyone with a set of factory manuals would be able to work on this car in the future without any difficulty.

Before SCT fixed the bug in their software that was causing an issue with the PATS switch, I was able to wire in a '97 AWL1 PCM using a breakout box to rewire a handful of circuits and had the car running in a little over an hour, so again I don't believe there is anything overwhelming about getting a '96 or '97 drivetrain to run in a Gen 4 car as opposed to a '98 or '99 drivetrain. I would have been happy to make any year combination work and I'm confident it would have been done just as quickly, it just happened that we had a complete '98 drivetrain to work with when the project was started.

Kirk and I finally had a chance to site down and figure it out the other day: I had 47 hours into the project and he had 21, for 68 total man-hours. The car was running and driving with it's Duratec drivetrain up until the morning of Thursday January 25th, and was running and driving with the V8SHO drivetrain on Sunday February 11th. That's 18 days from start to finish, and if you figure in that we were gone to Virginia and Tennessee for camfests from February 2nd through the 9th that's really only 10 days.

In any case, it was fun, and I think once people get so see, hear, and drive a Gen 4 car with a V8SHO drivetrain, there will be a bunch of people looking for one of their own! :thumb:
 

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I'm a sucker for that body style F150 but to stick a motor behind it that has some pep and get's good mpg too... props to you. That's a bad-ass truck.
 

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What was the last year the SES model was made? Was if "03?

zak in the northern rustbelt
 

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Now, THAT's the SECOND Gen IV SHO.

Nice editing on the video, though.
 

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