Gauges

[Crash712us]

My donation as promised. Paypal email [email protected] transaction ID 9CF13529TS596944L.

 

[blue thunder]

He is a she, just saying.

 

[Showgun]

While I admittedly don't know exactly which thread you guys are talking about, my guess is that it's the one with the gauge pod fabrication?

Not sure of details, and I didn't notice it was moved, because I don't venture into these forums much, but if I could offer what my guess is on this, as a long time member: If it resembles a for sale thread by a member who doesn't have a paid classified ad, or is a supporting vendor, it'll be moved to an admin area for review and dealt with appropriately. Of course, I'm not a mod here, so that's just a guess, but those types of for sale threads violate the TOS of SHOForum.

I have seen this happen in the past, and information that was in violation of the TOS was pruned, and the useful parts of the thread moved back to the original location.

Quite right Bob, it can be pruned and moved back for use and conform to the TOS.
Mods may have access but surely admins do.
I expect it's in the process of being fixed up.

MODS, ADMINS????

C.

Wow, Now I've read the rest of the thread. Does seem a little unfair doesn't it mods and admins?
I don't see how it was breaking terms of use since Chris wasn't making any $$ out of it. As he said: just **** it out of the goodness of his heart for his fellow SHO owners.

Third, the ******** elitist crap a couple of you posted when someone from "outside" your little Gen 4 clique mentioned that a donation should have been made before offering something for sale was the final straw.

How could this have been blown out of proportion so badly when there was no sales involved?

.........and oh not that "cliquey GEN4 elitist accusation again?
That is B.S. and everyone knows it. A nicer group of fellas I've never met either in person or online and they are neither cliquey or elitist! -- They really quite genuine and nice people.

C.

 

[bpd1151]

Wow, Now I've read the rest of the thread. Does seem a little unfair doesn't it mods and admins?

I don't see how it was breaking terms of use since Chris wasn't making any $$ out of it. As he said: just **** it out of the goodness of his heart for his fellow SHO owners.

How could this have been blown out of proportion so badly when there was no sales involved?

.........and oh not that "cliquey GEN4 elitist accusation again?

That is B.S. and everyone knows it. A nicer group of fellas I've never met either in person or online and they are neither cliquey or elitist! -- They really quite genuine and nice people.

C.

You know...... I'm really glad this is starting to sprout legs of it's own.

I am also glad, that someone else has taken the time to read the (orignal) thread from beginning to end and comment here on what has transpired by the moderator who moved it.

Once again i'll reiterate, Chris never sold any of these gauge pods. He made an initial 10 pods just to satisfy fellow owners request(s) to make them. Chris wasn't even sure if he could actually do them quite honestly.

This, at it's very core, is what being part of a forum is about. Fellow owners helping eachother out. Sharing information. Helping mod one another's cars etc......

There was no violation(s) of forums TOS and if anything, I would suspect there may have been violation(s) by the mod who inappropriately yanked the thread for other reasons not being disclosed.

****, Chris has receipts for each and everyone one of his expenditures thus far and has constantly kept us (10) up to date on said expenses.

Some of us have even flipped for donations (to the site) just to grease the wheels for it's return, but doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon.

I sure wish Bizzy would visit the site more often, kinda wonder what her opinion would be on this subject matter??

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

The point is, is that crash712us never sold a single one of these pods as of yet.

Unfortunately if that is your entire point, then it will be lost with the mods and admin of this forum. Along with all of the arrogant posts within this new thread.

As I posted in the previous thread, as well as mentioned to Crash via private message, this has happened before.

And there really should be no surprise, if you had actually taken the time to read the forum rules and terms of service.

Advertising – Advertising is NOT allowed unless you have donated to have a classifieds ad taken out. Please do not advertise anything for sale in your signature or user title unless you have taken out a classifieds ad. Advertising in your signature without an ad in one of the classified sections not allowed and will not be tolerated. If you have something for sale in your signature without a classifieds ad it will be removed without prior contact with you. Once removed, any member who again replaces the ad will be dealt with accordingly.

An actual transaction is not needed to require a classified or a group buy.
Think about it for a minute.... do you actually SELL something before you post a classified??? No. You must post the classified prior to the sale.

****, Ive had loads of crap in the classifieds before, and didnt sell one. But I sure as shit payed my donation.

The main difference I see is that I took the time and care to go through the proper channels to proceed with such a classified. Not only is this the CORRECT way to do this according to the forum rules and terms of service, but it is done out of respect for the admin and all of the mods that help to keep this forum running smoothly, and without the nasty filth that so many other forums seem to have.

As I see it now, we have arrived at the exact place I saw the thread going...

Closed/locked and feelings hurt.

Hate to say it, but I told you so. I was trying to be nice about it. And Im sure if Crash had contacted a moderator the day I first posted my suggestion to make sure he was in the clear for such a thread, things would have gone different route.

 

[bpd1151]

Unfortunately if that is your entire point, then it will be lost with the mods and admin of this forum. Along with all of the arrogant posts within this new thread.


If that is your entire point, then it has been lost on the good people (like Chris) that will care less about your so called "concern".

I also see no "arrogant" posts within this thread. Perhaps if you don't like what your reading, you should refrain from commenting further, but I suspect you won't. Which is fine, just more useless commentary for pure entertainment purposes


As I posted in the previous thread, as well as mentioned to Crash via private message, this has happened before.

Convenient how this happened right after you came here. Coincidence? Sure smells of it.

And there really should be no surprise, if you had actually taken the time to read the forum rules and terms of service.

You must post the classified prior to the sale.

There were no sales. This "transaction" (to use your terms) was nothing more than one member's attempt to recreate a modification for others. Period.

As I see it now, we have arrived at the exact place I saw the thread going...

Closed/locked and feelings hurt.

Hate to say it, but I told you so. I was trying to be nice about it. And Im sure if Crash had contacted a moderator the day I first posted my suggestion to make sure he was in the clear for such a thread, things would have gone different route.

Same comment as above, quite coincidental this happened right after you posted up.

If you were truly being nice about it, then you would've made your initial suggestions (to Chris) via PM. Oh wait, you don't hide behind.....

Ahem, yea maybe you do

Can't stop progress. If you build the pods Chris, they will come.

 

[Crash712us]

What your missing Nottoslowsho.

I never offered the sale of anything to anyone. There was talk of projected cost of any future builds but seeing how I haven't even completed the first pods yet I surely couldn't sell any. Just ask the folks to pipe in who want to buy from me. I won't take any money from them yet. Any how I may not done things correctly to the letter. But I other members have made donations to the forum since to rectify the matter. For Items that I haven't collect a cent on. And I never list for sale.

Unfortunately if that is your entire point, then it will be lost with the mods and admin of this forum. Along with all of the arrogant posts within this new thread.

As I posted in the previous thread, as well as mentioned to Crash via private message, this has happened before.

And there really should be no surprise, if you had actually taken the time to read the forum rules and terms of service.



An actual transaction is not needed to require a classified or a group buy.
Think about it for a minute.... do you actually SELL something before you post a classified??? No. You must post the classified prior to the sale.

****, Ive had loads of crap in the classifieds before, and didnt sell one. But I sure as shit payed my donation.

The main difference I see is that I took the time and care to go through the proper channels to proceed with such a classified. Not only is this the CORRECT way to do this according to the forum rules and terms of service, but it is done out of respect for the admin and all of the mods that help to keep this forum running smoothly, and without the nasty filth that so many other forums seem to have.

As I see it now, we have arrived at the exact place I saw the thread going...

Closed/locked and feelings hurt.

Hate to say it, but I told you so. I was trying to be nice about it. And Im sure if Crash had contacted a moderator the day I first posted my suggestion to make sure he was in the clear for such a thread, things would have gone different route.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

There were no sales. This "transaction" (to use your terms) was nothing more than one member's attempt to recreate a modification for others. Period.

Wrong.

People were lined up ready to send payment. ****, Crash even posted a photo of pod #1 with a name on it, presumably ready to package and ship

And please do not confuse "transaction" with "advertising"

Advertising happens prior to a transaction. And according to the VERY SIMPLE forum rules, all advertising requires a donation.

Same comment as above, quite coincidental this happened right after you posted up.

If you were truly being nice about it, then you would've made your initial suggestions (to Chris) via PM. Oh wait, you don't hide behind.....

Ahem, yea maybe you do

If you are suggesting that sent a message to a moderator about the thread, you are mistaken. No such message was ever sent. Nor was there any desire or need. I felt that Crash being the thread starter needed to step up and make sure he was in the clear.

I wholeheartedly wanted the thread to survive. The writing was on the wall that the thread had turned into a group buy, and was destined to be locked/deleted. So I mentioned that Crash should get in contact with a mod to make sure things take a turn.

Too little too late I suppose.

But hey, if you had even bothered to read the rules....

 

[bpd1151]

Kenny, you are such a stand up person.

All of us should be so lucky to have you express your concerns for us lowly wayward, newbies....

Please be sure to follow all of Chris's (future) threads and guide him in his errant ways.

Hey Chris, btw, how's my pod coming along pal?

 

[Crash712us]

NO YOUR WRONG! what are you hard of hearing. That was not a sale! The first ten pods where built at no profit. We all pooled are resources to see if it could even be successful. I made nothing nada. What don't you understand? No wonder this thread is stuck limbo Nobody even would take the time to read what was really going on. I explain to you again, I created my own custom built pod to presented to the forum. I was over whelmed with people wanting to make for them. I investigated and realize to the costs of reproducing where to great for me to taken alone so I took another 9 other investors and in return there pod would be built at cos spent 100's of hours on this project and all for free. Do I hope to sell and make a profit yes. But the fact of the matter I haven't offered for sale or taken money for the sale of anything. When some drops my your thread asks me if I ever consider making more to let them know. And I them tell sure and make a note of there name thats all. This forum hasn't been cheated, and the donations made more then compensate for the sale of pods I intent to sell, but only after I finish the ones I agreed to do for free.

Wrong.

People were lined up ready to send payment. ****, Crash even posted a photo of pod #1 with a name on it, presumably ready to package and ship

And please do not confuse "transaction" with "advertising"

Advertising happens prior to a transaction. And according to the VERY SIMPLE forum rules, all advertising requires a donation.



If you are suggesting that sent a message to a moderator about the thread, you are mistaken. No such message was ever sent. Nor was there any desire or need. I felt that Crash being the thread starter needed to step up and make sure he was in the clear.

I wholeheartedly wanted the thread to survive. The writing was on the wall that the thread had turned into a group buy, and was destined to be locked/deleted. So I mentioned that Crash should get in contact with a mod to make sure things take a turn.

Too little too late I suppose.

But hey, if you had even bothered to read the rules....

 

[Crash712us]

Also Kenny you admittedly said you didn't even read the thread in its entirety. So you have assumed that I had sold something. Well we all know happens when you assume anything.

 

[bpd1151]

Wrong.

People were lined up ready to send payment.

Wrong (on your part) yet again.

****, Crash even posted a photo of pod #1 with a name on it, presumably ready to package and ship

Kenny you shouldn't presume things. The name on the pod displayed was Chris autographing it, kind of a funny thing we suggested he do as the potential for this item will obviously far exceed anything you attempted to sell.

And please do not confuse "transaction" with "advertising"

Advertising happens prior to a transaction. And according to the VERY SIMPLE forum rules, all advertising requires a donation.

Seems you are confusing "advertising" with what Chris was kind enough to show us as images of his progress. Since he's never undertaken anything like this before, he was excited at his successes and was sharing said enthusiasm.

Hardly can be even remotely construed as advertising.

If you are suggesting that sent a message to a moderator about the thread, you are mistaken. No such message was ever sent. Nor was there any desire or need. I felt that Crash being the thread starter needed to step up and make sure he was in the clear.

Guilty conscience? No need to explain Kenny, really, there isn't.

Nor is there any need for you to be worried about Chris, or his abilities to "step up".... I'm sure Chris is a big boy and fully capable of doing so on his own.

I wholeheartedly wanted the thread to survive. The writing was on the wall that the thread had turned into a group buy, and was destined to be locked/deleted. So I mentioned that Crash should get in contact with a mod to make sure things take a turn.

Still never turned into a group buy as you claim and there you go again trying to "explain" things to Chris......

You certainly have displayed your ability to explain things Kenny, probably more than you ever needed to, I suspect not only here, but in other arenas you choose to interject your .02 into.... a good indicator of narcissism.

Too little too late I suppose.

But hey, if you had even bothered to read the rules....

BTW, I did read the rules in their entirety when I signed up, and just for giggles and to help refresh my memory, I just re-read them again.

So you can feel comfortable now knowing that you don't need to hang your hat on that any longer, or feel compelled to explain anything further to me Kenny.

 

[mjhpadi]

This is beginning to look a lot like deja vu....since it is some one who has been a member a long time and owns an older gen SHO, it means their view is the correct one and the one that the admins and mods will bow to....apparently reasonable logic about this doesn't matter. What part of it isn't a sale, we who want the pods are giving Chris the money to buy the materials...doesn't seem that hard to follow and since he is still working on the first ones, he isn't selling them, just building them for us. But it is ok when others make stuff and advertise in their signature...as long as it is for the earlier gens....please help me understand this... things are looking quite foggy!

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

I investigated and realize to the costs of reproducing where to great for me to taken alone so I took another 9 other investors and in return there pod would be built at cost

Certainly sounds like a transaction to me. All the while utilizing forum resources for R&D, networking and advertising.

I tried to forewarn you, you didnt respond accordingly. The Gen 4 crowd felt compelled to shit in your thread because of my very simple suggestion. Then the thread got locked. And now you whine and moan.



And since this is simple becoming a mess of a thread. This will be my last post.


Have a nice day. Dont mind me if I never lend a Gen 4 guy a hand. You have all done one **** of a job of showing your true colors.

 

[bpd1151]

This is beginning to look a lot like deja vu....since it is some one who has been a member a long time and owns an older gen SHO, it means their view is the correct one and the one that the admins and mods will bow to....apparently reasonable logic about this doesn't matter. What part of it isn't a sale, we who want the pods are giving Chris the money to buy the materials...doesn't seem that hard to follow and since he is still working on the first ones, he isn't selling them, just building them for us. But it is ok when others make stuff and advertise in their signature...as long as it is for the earlier gens....please help me understand this... things are looking quite foggy!

Mark, please don't confuse what Chris has done with his gauge pods with anything else other than him merely attempting to re-create something he made for himself (for others to enjoy).

I'm sure eventually, as it appears he is having success in taking on this project, that future pods will be produced and subsequent threads will be placed in the appropriate section(s) and additional donations made pursuant the guidelines actually (and not the TOS).

This has nothing to do with prior Gen's competing against newer Gen's, so please refrain from outright stating that, or eluding to it. Has nothing to do with it in all due respect.

Ads in members signatures are allowed as long as they have been approved by a mod or admin PRIOR to them being placed in a sig by said desired member. Donations also apply.

There are a wealth of owners here, from all Generations, that can (and do) provide pertinent knowledge on the various SHO platforms. I have developed friendships with lots of them, both new, and old alike.

What I do believe that has occurred here is that you have one member, who recently made post(s) and appearance(s) both in this thread, and the dubious other thread, that for whatever reason, took it upon himself to interject his .02 on the topic (albeit in an open manner) even after the original thread had been posted well in excess of 6mo's, and that probably caused the spotlight to be focused a little brighter on the situation.

That member claims no effort was taken by him to alert or report said thread in question, but I will elude to the entire concept of it being coincidental that two days after that members appearance (and thinly guised "support" for Chris) that the thread disappeared. Y'all can make your own deductions I'm sure.

What would be appropriate at this juncture, would be for an actual member of Admin to review the original thread and consult with the OP (crash712us) rather than the Moderator who chose to move and/or delete it, to determine whether it shall return (or not) and whether it will be altered or modified.

One last note Mark, even though Christmas is right around the corner, it would be appropriate to shell out a little coin in the form of a donation to the forums here regardless of what has transpired thus far.

Why? Well, I know I've already learned a lot about not only my car individually, but also about the history of the SHO in it's entirety.

I have also developed good business relationships, as well as friendships here, that quite honestly, I don't think I would've ever had made had the forum not existed to begin with.

So I chose to make a donation accordingly. We may not all agree on all aspects of various topics that arise here on the boards, but still, the bottom line is, we all have a commonality in that we are a SHO family.

In the sole aspect of Chris's original thread having been axed, I think, wait, I know that Chris did not break any of the rules, the TOS, or the guidelines. It doesn't hurt having it be reviewed (hopefully that is occurring) and then re-posted.

Again, what Chris has produced for his car is a niche item that is currently not being made by any other entities or person(s) that I am aware of.....

It would be a HUGE benefit to the SHOforum community as a whole to make/have this information available for others to see.

Whether those others be actual fellow SHO owners, or just interested parties that own other brands/makes of cars, it will still inevtiably lead to more traffic, more hits, and potentially more $$ for the forums site down the road as I have known Chris to be nothing else other than a stand up guy who (to borrow the term from someone else) "stepped up" and had tried to rectify the oversight, if any that had occurred.

Make that donation Mark! It'll be a benefit to you and others regardless of what has, or will take place.

 

[bpd1151]

This will be my last post.

Your last post? Ever? :woo-hoo: Good riddance.

Dont mind me if I never lend a Gen 4 guy a hand.

I'm sure we've all just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

You have all done one **** of a job of showing your true colors.

As have you Kenny, as have you. :ciao:

 

[19sho90]

Have a nice day. Dont mind me if I never lend a Gen 4 guy a hand. You have all done one **** of a job of showing your true colors.

The only "true colors" i saw here was Crash being MORE than kind and deciding to try and make these for people. He did not have to even try but he did. Sound like a pretty decent guy to me.
I read the original thread from first post to last. There was NOT A SINGLE sale of an item/pod. There was however, a person (Crash712us) who decided to try and make a gauge pod, which ended up very successful, then had a few members want him to make one for them. He agreed on it and made the pods, at NO PROFIT, to be honest he lost money on this. He lost 100's of hours of his own personal time. All he asked was that the people pay for material. So by how this went down here is what happened. Crash decided to make 10 or so pods. Then members would pay his back for the MATERIAL used, not the time, then he would GIVE i repeat GIVE them a pod. Crash even agreed that every pod from here on out(After the initial 10 or so) there would be a certain percentage donated to the forum.

 

[darreli]

Certainly sounds like a transaction to me. All the while utilizing forum resources for R&D, networking and advertising.

I tried to forewarn you, you didnt respond accordingly. The Gen 4 crowd felt compelled to shit in your thread because of my very simple suggestion. Then the thread got locked. And now you whine and moan.



And since this is simple becoming a mess of a thread. This will be my last post.


Have a nice day. Dont mind me if I never lend a Gen 4 guy a hand. You have all done one **** of a job of showing your true colors.

I really was trying to refrain from commenting on this thread but now I feel inclined to give my 2 cents (mostly because that's all its worth)

The original thread was definately not a group buy or a classified ad for that matter. That's why I believe the thread was up for 6 mos before being removed after you "warned" him. And then, cowardly, you deny mentioning to the moderator. The coincidence is a little to great....man up atleast.

Chris made a very nice piece and posted it on here. A one off piece. Other's stated they were interested in him making more so he did some research on how that could happen...and even IF that could happen. He decided to take a stab at it but because of cost he was looking for some individuals to help purchase mold making supplies...never to purchase a gauge pod. There was not hint of a "group buy" or even a sale of one gauge pod. How is this any different than having a wrenchfest and someone bringing a pizza or beer? Do you send money to the forum when you post a wrenchfest? Money isnt even the issue...I'm sure if a moderator asked Chris via PM to make a donation for what was appearing to be a classified ad there would have been no problem in that getting done. Instead, someone felt obligated to not even read the thread but post his 2 cents anyway and when HE didnt get his way HE whined to the moderator and the thread was gone.

Your "dont mind if I ever give a Gen 4 guy a hand" comment is exactly the kind of comment that tries to separate the Gen 4 guys for the earlier generation owners. There is another post on here that calls us "elitist"...hey Mr. Anonymous...its a $40,000.00 car...its no Maybach or Bugatti!! I realize some of the older generation guys dont care for the car that much, whether it be because of the weight or the cost or whatever. This is just my opinion but Ford did a pretty good job on this car and honestly if it wasnt for the room and other luxuries I probably wouldnt have bought it. I can honestly say I never saw myself purchasing a Taurus...ever! That might be the difference...the newer generation owners have a different feeling about the car...that shouldnt change how the forum works...we are all car guys!

I'll be making a donation to the forum today...not because Kenny said so, but because I like the guys on here and would like to see the forum continue. There is good info on here and good guys/gals as well...the older generation vs newer generation thing is ********. We are all grown ass people on here. To be honest the Taurus doesnt have a reputation for being a "younger" guys car.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Well, one thing that will bring me back to a thread is to call me a liar.

Talk about hiding behind the keyboard. Do you do this often on forums?


I might be a lot of things, but I am most certainly not a liar.

And then, cowardly, you deny mentioning to the moderator. The coincidence is a little to great....man up atleast.

Man up? To what? Do you honestly think a MOD wasnt keeping an eye on where that thread was going?

I think the only one that needed to man up was the OP, in order to make certain that thread was in the clear. As I have mentioned before.

Other's stated they were interested in him making more so he did some research on how that could happen...and even IF that could happen. He decided to take a stab at it but because of cost he was looking for some individuals to help purchase mold making supplies...never to purchase a gauge pod. There was not hint of a "group buy" or even a sale of one gauge pod. How is this any different than having a wrenchfest and someone bringing a pizza or beer? Do you send money to the forum when you post a wrenchfest? Money isnt even the issue...

Easy, meeting at somebodies house doesnt require the forum to cover for things like pizza and beer.

I'm sure if a moderator asked Chris via PM to make a donation for what was appearing to be a classified ad there would have been no problem in that getting done.

It doesnt work that way. The mods have enough to keep track of, they dont have the time to wipe your ass because you cant seem to reach or are simply too lazy/ignorant.

Instead, someone felt obligated to not even read the thread but post his 2 cents anyway and when HE didnt get his way HE whined to the moderator and the thread was gone.

Did you READ my first post. It was a suggestion, nothing more. Crash asked a question or two about it, and I answered.

And again, I did not mention any of this to a mod. And that really isnt the issue. Obviously the moderator that clipped that thread felt it was a problem. But hey, if you wish to place blame, go ahead. I have strong shoulders. Ive been here a long time, and guarantee I will be here long after most of the new crowd. It is a simple matter of math and turnover.

I realize some of the older generation guys dont care for the car that much, whether it be because of the weight or the cost or whatever.

Honestly, so far I like the car far more than the peeps driving them.

There is good info on here and good guys/gals as well...the older generation vs newer generation thing is ********.

I agree.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Wow.

Some of you really are arrogant ******.

I'm waiting for a return call from Beth to decide what to do. My suggestion to her will be to refund the donations and I'll just make up the difference out of my own pocket so the forum doesn't lose any money. I see no benefit in having a bunch of elitist ******** stirring up shit on this forum.

For the record: Yeah the thread may have been around for weeks or months; and that's irrelevant. 99% of the forum population is people who make a positive contribution to the community and content of the forum and we don't need to worry about them trying to skirt the simple paid ad rules. In other words, we just trust that most members are decent and honest. We also don't have time to read every single post or thread and rely on members to police themselves. In this case, the thread started out innocently enough so I can see how nobody would have seen anything wrong. At some point, talk of sales started and at that point a donation should have been made. When someone pointed that out innocently enough, some of you decided it was more appropriate to attack that member and the forum. As I mentioned previously, the arrogant, elitist attitude was more disturbing than the lack of a donation -- and the tenor of this thread has reinforced that position emphatically.

And enough of this "I didn't sell a thing" ********. About half of the posts in the thread from about September 1st onward were related to costs and reimbursement. As I said before, profit motive is irrelevant to the classified ad rules (or calling your buyers "investors"). Money changing hands is. Just because someone sells something at or below cost doesn't mean a sale didn't take place.

As someone who has been involved in the SHO community since 1994, I am embarrassed to be associated with many of the people posting in both threads. While donations are appreciated, they do not excuse bad behavior. If that is how you intend to conduct yourself on this forum, please be so kind as to find another venue to be so inconsiderate and disrespectful.

Until Beth renders a decision on how to proceed, this thread is closed and any future discussions regarding the gauge pods, the deleted/closed threads, etc. will not be tolerated.