Engine stumbling at idle w/ AC on...

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Ok, so my 95 atx has what feels like a misfire at idle, every about 5-20 seconds or so. When it began, it would only do it with the AC on. Now, it does it all the time, but is worse with the AC on. It gets worse as the car gets warm.

I put a new AC clutch in, figuring the AC pulley bearing was bad. Still does it. Swapped the two idler pulleys with known goods. Still does it. All other pulleys spin freely and queitly. Pulled codes, got a 551 for "IAS" bad. Hey, look at that, the connector on the back of the manifold controller relay was unhooked! so it idles smoother and has more torque down low but the stumble is still there.

The spark plugs are new (and gapped correctly), as are the wires (AC Delco), plug well seals, and valve cover seals. The tach doesn't do anything funny except right at startup when it dips a bit, but it does start just fine every time. It was really bad before the AC clutch swap, to the point that I was afraid the engine would die because of it. It was up to almost 2-3 a second.:oogle:

So I guess my question is, what could be causing this? It's not in the accessory system, I'm 99.9% sure it's not in the spark. I ran a cylinder balance test 3 times in a row, it runs end to end, no test failures. KOEO and KOER both pass 111 with the exception of 521 and 536 (BOO circuit fail, PSPS circuit fail). I doubt either of those would cause said stumbling. That leaves... fuel. (the IAC is new, too.)

If a fuel injector were randomly misfiring, wouldn't the cylinder balance test pick that up? maybe not? How would one go about checking that? Could I maybe look for a dip in fuel pressure during the stumbles? The fuel pump is new as well. Fuel filter was changed recently. I'm just at a loss as to what could be causing this.

If it weren't my wife's car, I wouldn't be worried about it but she won't drive the thing until it gets fixed, which means she's driving my car, which is bad cos I hate driving her car... it's so... stock. ugh. Anyway, any help would be much appreciated. Thank you!
 

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Seams like a complicated problem.

Maybe something unique to your car. (wires whatever).

So dont blame the ppl in here , they try to help as much as they can..So if your not happy with that , you can always go to Ford's and pay 80 bucks an hour to get your thing diagnosed.

Ppl gets everything for granted nowadays.
 

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*sigh* sorry, I didn't mean to come off like that, it's just that it seems that the only time people get responses to their questions is when they're really vague about their problems. I just figured that with 100+ man-years of experience with SHOs, that somebody would have had this problem before. I'm not angry, it's just simple frustration.

Anyway, now it has nothing to do with the AC and it's just a simple occasional misfire problem. The dollar test confirmed it (hold dollar bill up to exhaust; if it gets sucked in engine is misfiring); it got sucked in every time the engine stumbled. At this point I'm thinking spark plugs? It's either that, or a fuel injector is starting to go off-line. That would suck. I'm hoping it's a spark plug going out. Seriously, has anybody else ever had this problem? Am I really the only one? Look at all the other recent posts, I help out when I can... I'm not just a lurker that whines for help!
 
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I haven't a clue as what to say to help you with your problem, but I have about the same problem. But when I turn my A/C on, my engine isn't as smooth while accelerating or cruising. I can feel little "hiccups". Otherwise, I have no problems. I recently charged my system, but I'm thinking that it has to do with the amount of coolant/lubricant in the system. I left the third can in the retrofit kit in my car overnight, and it all leaked out through that dumb tab on the bottom of the can, leaving this beautiful spot of lubricant on my rear seats! It shines up real nice...
 

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Hey, about the AC, it might be the pulley. Seriously, the bearings go bad on those, too. Try spinning it with the belt off. If it catches or hangs then I'd replace it... it's not that bad as long as you have a spanner wrench and a good set of snap-ring pliers (90 degree bend tips, tips have to be looooong after the bend). Anyway, I wonder if you could shine up the whole back seat with lubricant? ...it'd be fun to slide around on! lol j/k

Actually, you can test the compressor with the belt on... just spin the clutch face (the outermost part). It will be hard to turn (it is turning a big compressor, after all) but it should be smooth. If there are spots it doesn't want to turn past, well, that's "bad". You might be looking at a new compressor. that would be bummer.
 
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hawkeye18 said:
Actually, you can test the compressor with the belt on... just spin the clutch face (the outermost part). It will be hard to turn (it is turning a big compressor, after all) but it should be smooth. If there are spots it doesn't want to turn past, well, that's "bad". You might be looking at a new compressor. that would be bummer.
Yeah, there's no resistance with that, and it's actually suprising. The A/C system hasn't been used for quite afew years, and when I charged it a couple of weeks ago, I didn't have to vacate the system because there was no pressure in it at all. No doubt it would probably need flushed, but I'm too lazy for that, haha. Because it was completely empty, when I first charged it, I would keep the engine off, charge the line a bit, then turn the pump by hand to make sure I would get a decent amount of lubricant going through before I just turn the compressor loose on the raw power of the mighty engine. :rofl:
 

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hawkeye18 said:
*sigh* sorry, I didn't mean to come off like that, it's just that it seems that the only time people get responses to their questions is when they're really vague about their problems. I just figured that with 100+ man-years of experience with SHOs, that somebody would have had this problem before. I'm not angry, it's just simple frustration.

Its all good :thumb:
 

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Finally got it fixed. It turned out to be the #3 spark plug, the porcelain was cracked on it. It's amazing how almost every stumbling problem, no matter what the problem, always ends up being the spark plugs. By now you'd think I would know to look there first...

I guess it seemed like the A/C was at fault because when the plug missed, the engine would want to stop due to the drag on it, and when the AC is on the drag is a lot greater due to the compressor and it slows down a lot more before the next plug fires and jerks it back up to speed. Sneaky!
 

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