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I need to get a quick headcount of who would be interested in a downpipe, and what size they think they need. These will be a two-piece design, with a bung for wideband 02. They should fit any MTX SHO, and they should allow for good deal of variance in turbo placement. They will run long on both ends, with the end user providing the needed flanges depending on his turbo and catback exhaust.

Prices will be in the area of $100-150.

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i am interested but have no idea what size piping i need...dont have a turbo now but want to add one...you expertise would be greatly appreciated..
 

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okay i am abit confused.... i would have thought that a 2/12 pipe would be a better set up than a 3 becouse the exhaust would arrive to the turbo faster and with less heat loss..therefore driving the turbo faster (less lag for small pipe) is this wrong?? how do i figure out what size pipe to use ,and what size turbo would be best for what size pipe? i would also think how far the turbo pipe is would affect the turbo also??? 9 loss of heat over greater distance thing) especialy since heat expansion is what is driving the turbo
if you use a larger pipe it would deliver more air (one would think) but then again the exhaust is being pumped in the pipe. mathmatically i read in one of the auto math books that for 150-200 cid pushing 300 hp a sigle exhaust set up should be 3.0 inches and true duals would need 2.5 inche pipe...i know that this is for a NA engine ,but is there a math formula that could be utilized to figure out what would be best....or is this not true for these engines becouse they were not turbo charged from the factory and since it has a different power band than the normal 4000 rpm engine normally used as an example will these formulas not work????

I have absolutly know idea how to figure out what size i need..i understand that many of you have already turbo charged your sho and have offered input from your experiance...but feed me...why do you recomend a 2.5 pipe or 3 inch pipe??? why do you feel one is better thatn the other???? has anyone tried both????
 

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Alright, I am really confused now. I bought a set of Toolmans pipes, and thought that they were a plug and play type deal. I realize that we who bought the pipes will probably need these down pipes, but why? How do they bolt on relative to the rest of the pipe setup? Thanks
 

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okay i am abit confused....

why do you recomend a 2.5 pipe or 3 inch pipe??? why do you feel one is better thatn the other???? has anyone tried both????

you are thinking the pipe before the turbo on the that side you do want the pipes to be a bit smaller to keep the pressure up. on the down pipe side of the turbo or cold side of the exhaust you want no restriction. I have a 2.5" exhaust over the axle on my SHO and it shokes the car really bad. when I open my exhaust cutout I wouldent be suprised to see a 20hp gain and 1K earlier spool time. When I ran open dump @ 3" pipe the car was a lot faster.

" isn't needed for that power level, 2.5" is more than enough, although the larger pipe will help keep EGTs down. I'm running 2.5" on my setup because it's way easier to fit on this setup.

you are right you can use 2.5" pipe, but there is a very noticeable improvement on my car by running 3" after the turbo.
 

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1QuickCoupe, whoever may have infered to you that the orginal HOTPIPES GB was plug and play was way off mark. As detailed explicitly in the post, the first GB was only a y-pipe and uppipe, the CHARGE PIPES, which run TO the turbo. The uppipe runs long, and requires the end user to cut it to length and weld up the appropriate ******. The downpipe, the pipe that runs FROM the turbo, is what we are discussing now. It bolts to the turbo to route the exhaust gases back under the car into your catback (it runs under the TB and down the small space available over the rear of the transaxle).

shoclownas far as sizes are concerned, a 2.5" DOWNPIPE is more than enough to push some BIG power (the ypipe is 2.25" the uppipe is 2.5"). I have made 430whp with my 2.5" DP, and I feel it would well support even more. But if your HP goals are very high (over 475whp), I would reccomend the 3".

The 2.5" DP will fit without much trouble. A 3" DP will likely require the use of a section of oval piping, which will be the main reason for a price increase. Most (if not all) T3/4 turbos will not require a 3" DP. Even though my current 62-1 has a 3" connection for the DP, I necked it down to 2.5". I was initially concerned that the DP was a resriction at high rpms, but it was actually my original turbo (a T3/4 with a small .56 A/R). With the current turbo (62-1 with a .81 A/R), I make power all the way to redline, with very little drop off (within 20whp of max at 7300rpm). And I feel that the drop off is attributed to tuning more than DP size right now.

So, to review, the 2.5" DP will be plenty for almost all applications. Something else in your setup will fail or prove to be a restriction long before a 2.5" DP will. But, if you have a 'money no object' build planned, and have the turbo and engine capable of pushing upwards of 475+whp, then perhaps you will want a 3" DP.
 

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Even though my current 62-1 has a 3" connection for the DP, I necked it down to 2.5". I was initially concerned that the DP was a resriction at high rpms, but it was actually my original turbo (a T3/4 with a small .56 A/R). With the current turbo (62-1 with a .81 A/R), I make power all the way to redline, with very little drop off (within 20whp of max at 7300rpm). And I feel that the drop off is attributed to tuning more than DP size right now.

Same here Tim. My turbo has a 3"v-band oulet, but I went with 2.5" for the pipe. Even the 2.5" was a tight squeeze past everything; 3" would not be fun.
 

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I think I am possibly interesed. I'm going to possibly be using a small t3 so a 2.5" should be probably be better than a 3".
 
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Id be interested! 2.5 inch downpipe. running 2.5 Vband and dynomax cat back. would like a little more info and pics of how they might turn out
 

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The DP is fairly straighforward. It will consist of 2 pieces of 2.5" 45degree bend, attached in the middle with a V-band connection. My current pipe has a normal 2-bolt exhaust ****** connection, and it has three big drawbacks. One, the gasket can wear out and let HOT exhaust out which can cause big problems. Also, removing it is more diffucult than I would like, as you need a long extension to access the bolts. Lastly, there is NO adjustment to be had, as the bottom section of the downpipe is attached to the rest of the exhaust, and with the 2-bolt ******, the upper section only fits one way. With the V-band, all those issues will be addressed. No gaskets to go bad and leak, easier removal, and plenty of adjustment to be had by clocking the pipes at the connection. This way, even if your turbo placement is a number of inches off from mine, you should be able to get the DP in the area you desire during mock-up. The pipes themselves are quite inexpensive. The v-band is the expensive part (these will be high-quality race worthy parts, not ebay crap) but I feel it is worth it, for the reasons outlined above. I had a gasket got bad at the Cali convention, and the resultant heat melted some vacuum lines and left me without brakes on the side of the highway.
 
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