Coolant Type

[sdpatt]

dont you just boil water and then let it sit to make distilled water??? i recall hearing something like this.

No. Boiling water will help **** any entrained bacteria, but the water left in the *** is still filled with all the minerals and particlulates it started with. Condensing and collecting the steam coming from the boiling water will get you distilled water. It's probably cheaper just to buy it already distilled.

Yes, I am still using the Dex-Cool as mentioned in my post above.

 

[ohfosho]

ok thanks guys... this is better than discover channel here... now someone make a 'how to distill water video'! lol im just playing.

the jiffy **** that i worked at used new, brand name coolant. not reclycled... but still doesnt make it right.

p.s. all jiffy lubes (in ontario, canada for sure) are franchises. so they are just 'based on guidelines set from head office. for example there are 2 jiffy lubes in my city. 1 vacuums your car, tests your battery, and a few other extras, for free. the other (which was what i worked at), does just the basics, and goes for extra sales (diff service, oil flushes, fuel additives) obviously at extra cost.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

I've heard both good and bad about Dex-Cool.

So, no ill effects and you think it has helped your water pump/o-ring seals? (that's why I am curious...)

No. Boiling water will help **** any entrained bacteria, but the water left in the *** is still filled with all the minerals and particlulates it started with. Condensing and collecting the steam coming from the boiling water will get you distilled water. It's probably cheaper just to buy it already distilled.

Yes, I am still using the Dex-Cool as mentioned in my post above.

 

[sdpatt]

Experience talking...

I've heard both good and bad about Dex-Cool.

So, no ill effects and you think it has helped your water pump/o-ring seals? (that's why I am curious...)

The silica-free nature of the Dex-Cool was one of the reasons I was willing to perform the mulitple flush changeover effort. I was hoping to get longer than the 40,000-mile (new Ford pump) to 80,000-mile (A1-Cardone remans pre Dex-Cool) lifetimes I was getting from the water pump seals. The two most common faillure modes for the water pumps are probably the seal leakage and bearing wear. Bearing wear being worse because it takes the seals out too. I have not ever had or witnessed leaks at the pump-to-block or pump-to-crossover tube O-ring seals. Leaks from split hoses? Sure. High revving engines (and water pumps) and old rubber hoses will make that a certainty.

For the bearing wear, I tension the 4-rib belt only as tight as necessary to keep it from slipping. Since the water pump and power steering pump do not have transient loads borne by the A/C and alternator belt, that tension is only enough to prevent slippage when the steering is turned full lock. That is a condition I do rarely due to its heavy load on the pump and high pressure hose. Lighter loads on the bearings should extend their lifetime as well as that of the belt (as long as it is not loose enough to flap).

The only approach to extending the seal lifetime was the elimination of the abrasive silicas in the coolant. Dex-Cool advertised that benefit. Since the A1-Cardone remanufactured pumps I have been using come with a lifetime warranty from my local O'Reilly Auto Parts stores, I must wait until the pump fails in order to return them for a free replacement. I have only had to do this once in the last 180,000 miles. I have seen a good 100,000 miles from the Dex-Cool'ed pump. It would be great if I could get 120,000 miles out of each pump; then I could change them every second 60K service.

Since the labor to replace the pump is free, I wait until it leaks before changing. When I perform the 60K service for other SHOwners, I recommend replacing the pump during the timing belt change since the common labor effort is a cost savings.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Can you explain the reason and method for the "mulitple flush changeover". Is this necessary if you do the flush at the same time you do the 60K pump change?

Also, are you saying that prior to Dex-Cool that you were only getting 40,000 out of the new OEM Ford pumps, but 80,000 out of the A1-Cardone remans?

Are you getting 100,000 out of the Ford OE pumps, or only the A1-Cardone pumps using Dex-Cool?

The silica-free nature of the Dex-Cool was one of the reasons I was willing to perform the mulitple flush changeover effort. I was hoping to get longer than the 40,000-mile (new Ford pump) to 80,000-mile (A1-Cardone remans pre Dex-Cool) lifetimes I was getting from the water pump seals....


The only approach to extending the seal lifetime was the elimination of the abrasive silicas in the coolant. Dex-Cool advertised that benefit. Since the A1-Cardone remanufactured pumps I have been using come with a lifetime warranty from my local O'Reilly Auto Parts stores, I must wait until the pump fails in order to return them for a free replacement. I have only had to do this once in the last 180,000 miles. I have seen a good 100,000 miles from the Dex-Cool'ed pump. It would be great if I could get 120,000 miles out of each pump; then I could change them every second 60K service.

Since the labor to replace the pump is free, I wait until it leaks before changing. When I perform the 60K service for other SHOwners, I recommend replacing the pump during the timing belt change since the common labor effort is a cost savings.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

First heard this from my brother, who is the Ford Technical Support Operations Manager for three western regions. Two different WalMart Tire & **** managers I subsequently asked confirmed this.

That really seems like a stretch but I'm all ears. Why would you think they are recycled??

 

[Storm-Chaser]

sdpatt - a few follow-up questions in preparation for a 60K next weekend . . . .


I noticed the two types of Prestone anitfreeze (the usual shelf-stock), the 5-year/150,000 mile "green" antifreeze (yellow container/black cap) and orange Dex-Cool (gray container/orange cap) have identical labeling. The wording is identical and formulation on the rear label (bottom-right) lists the exact same chemical composition. Are these [now] identical, with the sole exception being the fluid color - as the product labeling suggests.

Have you been able to verify that the "yellow-geen" 5-year/150,000 formulation is also silica-free like the orange "Dex-Cool" labeled formulation?

Also, have you tested or run the water/Water-Wetter™ only formulation which is suppose to run 20°F cooler without antifreeze? [This is a 'summer-time only' question]

I'd stay with the 5yr/150,000 mile green anti-freeze. It has improved a great deal and is compatible with everything in the system.

I installed the Dex-Cool orange about 200,000 miles ago and found the water pump seals to last longer (100,000+ miles) without the silicones in the fluid (knocking on wood). That was the benefit i was looking for that I changed over the to orange.

I am still curious as to the reason for the "mulitple flush changeover effort" strategy you mentioned above/below.

Are you using Prestone/Zerex radiator flush multiple times; Prestone/Zerex radiator flush once followed by multiple tap-water flushes; or simply multiple flushes with tap-water prior to tear-down?

Also looking for feedback on pump longevity, since you indicated that the A-1 CarDone remans were outlasting the Ford OEM pumps.

Can you explain the reason and method for the "mulitple flush changeover". Is this necessary if you do the flush at the same time you do the 60K pump change?

Also, are you saying that prior to Dex-Cool that you were only getting 40,000 out of the new OEM Ford pumps, but 80,000 out of the A1-Cardone remans?

Are you getting 100,000 out of the Ford OE pumps, or only the A1-Cardone pumps using Dex-Cool?

The silica-free nature of the Dex-Cool was one of the reasons I was willing to perform the mulitple flush changeover effort. I was hoping to get longer than the 40,000-mile (new Ford pump) to 80,000-mile (A1-Cardone remans pre Dex-Cool) lifetimes I was getting from the water pump seals....


The only approach to extending the seal lifetime was the elimination of the abrasive silicas in the coolant. Dex-Cool advertised that benefit. Since the A1-Cardone remanufactured pumps I have been using come with a lifetime warranty from my local O'Reilly Auto Parts stores, I must wait until the pump fails in order to return them for a free replacement. I have only had to do this once in the last 180,000 miles. I have seen a good 100,000 miles from the Dex-Cool'ed pump. It would be great if I could get 120,000 miles out of each pump; then I could change them every second 60K service.

Since the labor to replace the pump is free, I wait until it leaks before changing. When I perform the 60K service for other SHOwners, I recommend replacing the pump during the timing belt change since the common labor effort is a cost savings.

 

[Phoenix]

Whatever you do guys , mixing GM and green coolants cause it to coagulate in some kind of jelly which clogs the rad (and everything else DUH).

In my book , just use the green stuff.

Only GM has that and every other ****, Americans, Korean and so forth has the green stuff. Go with the family.

Also remember that the green prestone has evolved since 20 years , and it's prolly has good or better then the GM stuff.

 

[shovermont]

ok thanks guys... this is better than discover channel here... now someone make a 'how to distill water video'! lol im just playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sqRvUzqDCE

ask and you shall recieve, all you need is about 80 ish degree weather, some dirt, grass, water and a weird cat

 

[ohfosho]

well how about that...