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HEY GUYS , I NEED SOME HELP, I WAS DRIVING THE OLE 94 SHO AUTO TODAY AND CEL APPEARED, THINKING IT WOULD GO OFF IT STAYED ON , ABOUT A MINUTE LATER IT STARTED SURGING . GOT THE OLE SHO BACK HOME PULLED THE CODES :336, 536, AND 521. WHERE DO I NEED TO START .
 

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When I had a CEL and surging idle on my 94 ATX, I cleaned the EGR nostrils and tubes twice and my problem still kept coming back. Finally replaced the DPFE sensor and its been problem free since.
 

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Hey guys finally had a chance to replace the dpfe sensor, test drove the ole sho , CEL stayed off for about 20 miles, then came on. After the CEL came on the O/D light started flashing . Came home pulled the codes;326, 225,536,521, any ideas .
 

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1. I don't think you are getting the codes recorded properly, because they will first show the current codes from lowest to highest, and then the stored codes from lowest to highest. So they will never appear in the order you have reported them. Please double check that you are getting the correct codes recorded.
2. Since the o/d light was flashing, there will be a stored code related to the transmission, but you don't report any transmission codes. This is the 2nd reason I don't think you have them right.

The egr passages are difficult to clean successfully, so I would give that another shot per the links above, and clear all the codes and then drive it a while and then pull codes again and let us know what they are.
 

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10-4 , those ports was cleaned about five months ago , after removing the intake to replace the plug seals i was able to remove both plugs and took the long process of cleaning the intake including the runners , If need be i will repeat the process . What is the best method for clearing the codes , i will keep you guys informed , Thanks
 

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pull the jumper wire off while the codes are still flashing to clear the codes.
 

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Hey guys here is the follow up , got the sho up to operating temp shut it off connected the ports , pulled the jumper wire while codes flashed and cleared the codes , drove the sho cel luminated ,noticed while driving hard 1st and 2nd shifts with o/d flashing light , did not have fourth gear . pulled the codes and got 326,536,521, waited repeated the cycle got the same read out, anything i need to do different to have the codes read properly . Thanks
 

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Please take a video of the codes being displayed and post it. We can confirm the codes being displayed.
 

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Hey guys sorry for the late response , been busy on the job, should have video posted by the weekend . Now the ole sho have thrown another curve ball at me, started the ole sho up to let it run noticed temp gauge was reading high, pulled the hood no cooling fans running , tested the engine bay fuse it was good, hopefully i will have time to check other possibilities by the weekend.
 

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There are two fans in an ATX, both should be running at the same time. They can run at low or high speed. You can make them run regardless of what temperature the computer thinks the engine is by turning on the (working) AC on a warm day. Otherwise, they won't run unless the coolant is measuring hot (a different sensor than the gauge). Read more: https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/electric-cooling-fan-rebuilt-atx-mtx-thru-95.139477/

The engine symptom is like O2 sensor, but the codes are all wrong. Tranny code is not good, we can hope it is overheating from no fan, or perhaps speed sensor.

There are two separate code tests to perform, key-on-engine-off (which tests a handful of sensors, then reads those codes, then displays stored memory codes), and key-on-engine-running (where you must start the warm engine, do some stuff at the right time, and then you get engine running codes).

Follow along at: http://yamahasho.com/eec/eec.htm

The first thing to do is to clear memory codes in the computer. To do that, plug the diagnostic jumper in, turn the key on but don't start, then after 10 seconds when the codes start flashing, quickly go disconnect the jumper; then turn off the key. Now you have a baseline.

Then do the KOEO procedure. Any obviously malfunctioning sensors will set a code. Otherwise, your codes should read 111, 111 (KOEO OK, repeated), 1 (spacer), 111, 111 (OK, empty memory). Understand what the flashes look like. In each section, "live" and "memory", the codes will repeat.

Then drive your car 15 minutes until it is warm. Some malfunctions will set a code but not light the check engine. Then read the KOEO codes again, paying attention to the second set of memory codes.

Only then do the KOER test, providing the proper steering, brake, gas pedal pulse, O/D button input at the right time. Then get the KOER "live test" codes, a single flash, and again memory codes.
 
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HEY GUYS SORRY FOR THE LATE UPDATE , FINALLY GOT SOME TIME OFF THE BEAT. MAN I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THE LAST POST , I MUST ADMIT I WAS DOING THE KOER TEST WRONG , THAT IS PROBLEM ONE , DID GET THE FANS TO OPERATE AFTER REPLACING THE CCRM WITH ONE I HAD ON HAND, DROVE IT FOR A WHILE DID NOT GET THE FLASHING O/D LIGHT . I WILL DO THE CORRECT TEST AND POST RESULTS . THANKS AGAIN .
 

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HEY GUYS AFTER FOLLOWING THE POSTED INSTRUCTIONS, FIRST CLEARED THE CODES . GOT THE ENGINE TO OPERATING TEMP , FIRST KOEO READ 335, 335, 111, 1, 111 . WAITED FEW MINUTES SECOND KOEO READ 335, 335, 1, 332, 332 . PERFORMED THIRD KOEO READ 335, 335, 1, 332, 332 . DROVE FOR A FEW MINUTES PERFORMED KOER READ 326, 521, 326, 521, PERFORMED SECOND KOER 326, 521, 326, 521.
 

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111 = all is well
335 = EGR feedback signal out of range
332 = EGR did not open or respond
326 = EGR not seating or not always seating
521 is not on my list

It could be the EGR valve does not seat properly, or it could be a wiring problem somewhere making the pcm think the EGR does not seat.
 

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HEY GUYS AFTER FOLLOWING THE POSTED INSTRUCTIONS, FIRST CLEARED THE CODES . GOT THE ENGINE TO OPERATING TEMP , FIRST KOEO READ 335, 335, 111, 1, 111 . WAITED FEW MINUTES SECOND KOEO READ 335, 335, 1, 332, 332 . PERFORMED THIRD KOEO READ 335, 335, 1, 332, 332 . DROVE FOR A FEW MINUTES PERFORMED KOER READ 326, 521, 326, 521, PERFORMED SECOND KOER 326, 521, 326, 521.

Bad DPFE or wiring.
 

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HEY GUYS I THINK I FOUND MY PROBLEM , STARTED CHECKING THINGS OUT ON THE OLE SHO , I PULLED THE TWO VAC HOSES FROM THE EGR SOLENOID THAT CONNECTS TO THE REAR INTAKE AND EGR VALVE, STARTED REMOVING THE HOUSING TUBING AND NOTICED THAT BOTH VAC LINES WAS BROKEN IN HALF, COULD THIS BE MY PROBLEM, IF SO WHERE CAN I GET IT FROM . I WILL TRY AND POST A PIC.
 

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