can express down modules be installed to be express UP modules?

[HoustinoJillian]

i'm going to probably install express down modules for at least my pass. window, if not all 3... but i was wondering, could i also install separate modules to provide an express UP feature? as in have 2 modules installed in every door? or would the wiring not work? thanks in advance

 

[RAYJAY]

yes it will we have done it on our ranger pickups using the Taurus module.will look for the how to on them found the how to (this is for a ranger pickup how to the wiring on the module should be the same)



http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=3639



Jeff

p.s. 1/2 my truck has taurus parts lol

 

[HoustinoJillian]

sweet, thanks, i trust the wiring is exactly the same as for auto down, except the power lines go to the UP lines for the motor. tonight's the short throw shifter and such, i'm going to tackle this project next week

 

[DDakRT]

Take some pix when you do it. All 4 of mine are auto down, but it'd be cool to have them auto up as well.

 

[jelloslug]

You can also use them for you sunroof.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

don't have one

 

[SHOZ123]

This would be a safety issue especially for children and pets, IMHO. :corn:

 

[HoustinoJillian]

how so?all the express down does is lower the window to its down height with 1 click, for the back seats its still only halfway down. HOWEVER

the rear windows only going 1/2 way is not a safety feature. if you look at the rear wheel well, and then the size of the window, you'll notice that it is impossible for the rear windows to go down all the way. they covered up a design flaw by turning it into a "safety item". some cars without this design flaw (such as my dad's TL) have rear windows that go all the way down.


and oh year, i'm almost 20, no kids, and my only pet is a lizard that stays indoors in a cage... so regardless i'm ok haha

 

[NiNeTy Fo SHO]

This would be a safety issue especially for children and pets. :corn:

But they stop when the motor/express module detects a certain power draw which directly relates to the resistance of the window to move (up or down).

This is how it stops when its gets all the way down. It hits the window stop and the motor requires more power, and hten the express module tell it to shut off.

...or so I thought.


How much force is needed for the module to shut off the motor...lets find out. Someone who has express up, put your head in the window and click the up button. Let us know if it stops when it hits your head...and if/how much it hurt.

Edit: I think he was talking about kids getting their hands and such in the window when its going up.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

ohh ok, well... lets just say that i've had me head caught in the window when i was little, it hurt pretty bad, but wasn't powerful enough to leave any lasting marks. the motor was still getting power up, because my dad was on the phone and still pressing the up button and wasn't paying attention t omy yelling hahaha (understandable, we'd been pretty loud the entire trip IIRC)

i guess it wouldnt be that good of an idea for those with children, or perhaps you could install the UP modules for the rear windows in the drivers door, that way they could only be put up quickly by the driver when he knows the windows are clear, and a kid couldn't bump the button in the back and then pinch themselves.

my bad, i thought you meant the not falling out the window safety feature

 

[Rockledge]

You can also use them for you sunroof.

I am curious about this. I often think about how nice it would be to have this function on the moonroof. But there was a recent thread about it wherein people ran into problems:

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=45441

How does an express down module get hooked up in the moonroof circuit?

 

[HoustinoJillian]

i was thinking (without examining the wiring diagram to make sure), could i use one module in the drivers door, but have it tapped to all 4 windows, so a tap of each button would use the relay and put that window down, or would this cause all 4 windows to go down when one button was tapped?


actually im realizing now that that's pretty much impossible and it wouldnt work. nevermind.

 

[SHO Continental]

the power draw would be too much if you used all the windows on one module.. I think..

I've been gathering express down module's for about a month now, so far I have 3. I'm planning on making all the windows express down from both that switch, and the switches at the driver's door.

 

[SHOlocke]

buy 4 autoloc Wc1000 modules, they provide up and down in one module. Course you'll spend $100 or so for 4 modules, but it is easier than wiring in 2 modules per door.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

erm SHO continental- you have enough, if you install the switches in the doors you want, they'll be express down from both locations, that door and the drivers

 

[HoustinoJillian]

just got 6 modules from the junkyard for 22 bucks total, plus one on ebay for 12... so its a bit more wiring, but 40 bucks beats out 100+ any day.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

just got done installing the 6 in the passenger and rear doors, its really easy.

you don't have to remove the entire door panel! for the front seat, simply take out the 2 screws above the pocket, below the plastic piece that holds the switches, and it comes out. for the REAR doors there's one screw in the corner of the ashtray, take it out and the switch comes with. there's plenty of room to fit the switches inside the doors from these holes.


the express down is as follows-
pin # on module and what it connects to-
1-cut red with yellow stripe wire on switch, connect to DOOR side
2- same wire as 1, but connect to SWITCH side
3-splice into the red with blue stripe power wire
4-splice into yellow wire with red stripe (window up)
5-splice into any black (ground) wire


for UP you simply switch the red/yellow and red/yellow wires, splicing into the red/yellow on the switch side of the down module


for the one wire that splices in to the opposite direction (pin4) i always connected it at the point where i connected pin2 (switch side of the other module) not sure if this matters, but it works and i didn't test the other way round.

I havent done the drivers door UP, because i dont have that module yet, but it should be the same, jsut lots of extra wires i dont touch.


if you want to only control this from the drivers door, i found that the tan with color (different for every door) wire controlled DOWN fro mthe drivers door, i assume one of the others (possibly white with color) controls up. if you splice into this wire, auto up/down works only from the drivers door, and the other 3 doors function normally. i chose to wire it so each door was auto, to give the passenger access.

note- when putting all windows down/up at the same time they're slower than normal, because of the power draw, just the same as if you hold mor ethan one switch down at the same time.

 

[Markus]

just got done installing the 6 in the passenger and rear doors, its really easy.

you don't have to remove the entire door panel! for the front seat, simply take out the 2 screws above the pocket, below the plastic piece that holds the switches, and it comes out. for the REAR doors there's one screw in the corner of the ashtray, take it out and the switch comes with. there's plenty of room to fit the switches inside the doors from these holes.


the express down is as follows-
pin # on module and what it connects to-
1-cut red with yellow stripe wire on switch, connect to DOOR side
2- same wire as 1, but connect to SWITCH side
3-splice into the red with blue stripe power wire
4-splice into yellow wire with red stripe (window up)
5-splice into any black (ground) wire


for UP you simply switch the red/yellow and red/yellow wires, splicing into the red/yellow on the switch side of the down module


for the one wire that splices in to the opposite direction (pin4) i always connected it at the point where i connected pin2 (switch side of the other module) not sure if this matters, but it works and i didn't test the other way round.

I havent done the drivers door UP, because i dont have that module yet, but it should be the same, jsut lots of extra wires i dont touch.


if you want to only control this from the drivers door, i found that the tan with color (different for every door) wire controlled DOWN fro mthe drivers door, i assume one of the others (possibly white with color) controls up. if you splice into this wire, auto up/down works only from the drivers door, and the other 3 doors function normally. i chose to wire it so each door was auto, to give the passenger access.

note- when putting all windows down/up at the same time they're slower than normal, because of the power draw, just the same as if you hold mor ethan one switch down at the same time.

Here's a wrench in the works:

I just installed auto-down in the three doors that didn't have it. The wiring for the right rear door was incorrect in the Ford EVTM. Supposedly the R/Y wire coming from the switch was to be at 12v when lowering the window. This is (supposedly) the wire that needs to be cut. This was actually not the case. It was the Y/R wire that had 12V when lowering the window. When raising the window the R/Y wire had 12v. Thus, the first time I installed the module on the right rear door the window was auto-up and not auto-down. The left rear door was wired correctly according to the EVTM, as was the right front door. The moral of the story is that you need to cut the wire that jumps to 12v when the window is being lowered regardless of the colour of the wire.

 

[SolidState]

ok, just to clasify here...

you can make all windows express up and down with a total of 8 modules.

By installing 2 modules into each door. This will allow both express up and down from both the door's switch and the driver's door switch.

Correct?

 

[DDakRT]

^^^Yep. But I'd put the auto up modules in the drivers door only.