binary editor

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anyone ever play around with the binary editor?

in all reality the stock tweecer software that comes with it (cal edit and cal con, mainly cal con) is crap and dont work 60% of the time

ive done completely fresh installs on computers that had windows freshly installed and when i go to use cal con nothing happens.

i mean for the $580 or whatever people pay for these devices you would think they actually could give you software that worked, after all whats the point of a r/t if it never lets you datalog.

its basicly hit or miss with cal con sometimes its fine other times dont expect it to work at all.

anyways back to the question at hand does anyone have binary editor and use it on their SHO ?

 

[Toolman]

Never looked into it because I have never had a problem datalogging. Granted, the software is far from perfect, but yours seems especially problematic.

 

[somedude_001]

I had the same problems when I first got mine. I had to use a Q-tip and some rubbing alcohol to clean the contacts and it cleared my problems right up.

 

[gmail]

well see thats the thing im not speaking for just myself... im speaking for 5 different tweecers and 4 different laptops

 

[SHO_DOODmorrris]

yeah its definatly not a polished product... i tuned my grandpas 32 roadster with megasquirt and picked up on it within a couple min's. hopefully there is a new version/update soon.

 

[firebat45]

I'm just going to be switching to Megasquirt in a short while, and dropping my Tweecer. They both have pretty much the same capabilities, but MS has a lot more documentation, and it's cheaper. $250-$300 for the newest one, brand new, compared to $550 or whatever for a brand new Tweecer.

The only downside is it won't work with the EATC.

I haven't had any issues with the Tweecer, though. It always worked fine for me, I just prefer a standalone to a piggyback, and I like the fact that MS actually updates + has documentation/support.

EDIT: It took me a little bit to get datalogging working when I first got it. You have to choose a payload (parameters to log) and write that to a tune, then be running that tune when you try calcon. You have to make sure the little "Datalogging" checkbox is checked when you write the datalogging tune, as well. Just trying to datalog on a stock tune will not work.

 

[yamahaSHO]

You are right, the TwEECer software isn't perfect and is not really meant for your everyday, casual tuner. You really have to know what you're doing and considering I've been doing it since 2004 without any issues, I think user error is going to be the culprit here. I see it all the time even when I tell the user the route they should take, and then the constantly don't take that route (I eventually give up and have limited where I lend a hand with tuning now).

I considered trying out BE a couple years back, but I thought at the time, I concluded that it wasn't going to really be an upgrade to learn a new interface to get something done that I already knew how to do.

As far as the Mega Squirt... Last I knew, the EATC was for the climate control, right? Why would you need it to work with that?

 

[firebat45]

Yes, EATC is climate, but it interfaces with the EEC. If you swap the EEC to MS, MS doesn't know how to interface with it, and it won't work.

Megasquirt also won't work on an ATX, because the tranny is controlled by the EEC as well.

Actually, won't work is false. Megasquirt will still do it's job (engine management) with an ATX/EATC. You will just need to find another way to control the tranny and/or the climate control. Apparently you can install the EEC for just those purposes, and use MS for engine management, but that seems to defeat the purpose of standalone.

 

[SHO_DOODmorrris]

to run megasquirt do you need an aftermarket computer? ECU that is.

 

[yamahaSHO]

I didn't think it interfaced with the EEC directly. The computer will adjust idle with the AC, however, I don't think that comes from the EATC itself, rather a signal it gets from trying to cycle the compressor.

 

[firebat45]

Mitch, no you don't, Megasquirt is a standalone product, replaces the EEC completely (except for the EATC functions and tranny shifting in an ATX)

YamahaSHO - check out this post:
http://www.shoforum.com/showpost.php?p=1015397&postcount=13

DIY Autotune is one of the biggest distributors of Megasquirt, IIRC. That's where I got my information about it not working with the EATC. Like I said earlier though, you can always do a parallel install and keep the EEC just for EATC purposes.

 

[yamahaSHO]

YamahaSHO - check out this post:
http://www.shoforum.com/showpost.php?p=1015397&postcount=13

That doesn't tell me anymore than you told me. A better explanation of what it controls would be better.

 

[gmail]

You are right, the TwEECer software isn't perfect and is not really meant for your everyday, casual tuner. You really have to know what you're doing and considering I've been doing it since 2004 without any issues, I think user error is going to be the culprit here. I see it all the time even when I tell the user the route they should take, and then the constantly don't take that route (I eventually give up and have limited where I lend a hand with tuning now).

I considered trying out BE a couple years back, but I thought at the time, I concluded that it wasn't going to really be an upgrade to learn a new interface to get something done that I already knew how to do.

As far as the Mega Squirt... Last I knew, the EATC was for the climate control, right? Why would you need it to work with that?

jason its not that i dont agree with you but in reality what it comes down to is i even followed the guide completely from install to datalog but the thing is one day it will work flawless, then you wait around a week before touching and out of no where it dont work at all, no changes made nothing happened since then just plain out dont work.

when i was speaking of the 5 different tweecers and 4 laptops i didnt mean me alone i mean me and other people experience the same problem.

i dont wanna put this person out there but once i get a email back from him i will have the def files for the binary editor and the creator of binary editor said he will have the x2j on there..

the nice thing i see purchasing the binary editor for it because its like a combo of caledit and calcon with a nice bonus... tech support updates all the time and software that works.

my experience with eec analyzer is its a good product as long as you use it correctly and actually is very helpful with the guides and such plus it taught me things i never would have knew with cal edit cal con alone.
example is about tuning the thorttle body.

 

[gmail]

Mitch, no you don't, Megasquirt is a standalone product, replaces the EEC completely (except for the EATC functions and tranny shifting in an ATX)

YamahaSHO - check out this post:
http://www.shoforum.com/showpost.php?p=1015397&postcount=13

DIY Autotune is one of the biggest distributors of Megasquirt, IIRC. That's where I got my information about it not working with the EATC. Like I said earlier though, you can always do a parallel install and keep the EEC just for EATC purposes.

you know this megasquirt thing actually got my attention some..
im very interested in the fact it has a much faster processor and some other features of it.
maybe in my future build ill keep checking up on this and maybe make a switch. very nice unit and more capable then the stock computer.
i give the stock credit tho for 90's tech.

would be real sweet if it could data log on its on and then just upload to a computer later on.

either way tho thanks is given for the heads up on this megasquirt

 

[firebat45]

you know this megasquirt thing actually got my attention some..
im very interested in the fact it has a much faster processor and some other features of it.
maybe in my future build ill keep checking up on this and maybe make a switch. very nice unit and more capable then the stock computer.
i give the stock credit tho for 90's tech.

would be real sweet if it could data log on its on and then just upload to a computer later on.

either way tho thanks is given for the heads up on this megasquirt

Don't get distracted, processor speed is not a big deal with an ECU, it's not like having one twice as fast will make the car any better. 95% of the features of MS are on Tweecer too, and you still need a computer connected to it to datalog, it won't do it on it's own.

 

[gmail]

Don't get distracted, processor speed is not a big deal with an ECU, it's not like having one twice as fast will make the car any better. 95% of the features of MS are on Tweecer too, and you still need a computer connected to it to datalog, it won't do it on it's own.

no i relise that but with a faster processor it allows for more process like obd2 plus it allows for faster sampling.

kinda like how x2j and d4u1 go from 15 mhz to 18 mhz which is mainly for the trans.

i wasent concerned for the car running much better threw the processor but fast that you can have more crazy stuff going on and the computer be able to handle it without a sweat.

**** as i recall it the msd ignition box has 15mhz processor itself. they also seem to take great pride in that also

 

[Pleky]

no i relise that but with a faster processor it allows for more process like obd2 plus it allows for faster sampling.

kinda like how x2j and d4u1 go from 15 mhz to 18 mhz which is mainly for the trans.

i wasent concerned for the car running much better threw the processor but fast that you can have more crazy stuff going on and the computer be able to handle it without a sweat.

**** as i recall it the msd ignition box has 15mhz processor itself. they also seem to take great pride in that also

You... you're not raising the voltage on the chip, are you? That would be a bad thing". Also, what windows are you actually using? I don't know anything about tweecer's software, but what you describe sounds like a faulty chip, faulty tweecer or you're overclocking the chip somehow. Do your settings revert/i] to their origionals after a while, or do they stay static and you car just starts to drive worse? You might have failing sensors or slowly frying wires.