Baer Claws for my '91

[GR8WYT]

Forgive me if this has been thrashed before, the search turned up nothing...

I have heard conflicting reports on whether the BaerClaw SuperSport 12.5" brake kit will fit under the 16" slicers. The fellow that I emailed and spoke to at BaerRacing assured me that they would fit EXCEPT that I would have to grind the end of the lower control arms. SHOShop and SHONutPerformance, who's opinions I respect, says they won't fit.

Has anyone installed these on their '91 with the slicers?

BTW, I need to do the brakes soon and I don't have the money for a 17" wheel and tire upgrade. I have also considered the 96 upgrade as well, but really want to know about peoples experience with the Baers.

Thanks!

 

[rlw001]

Unless you do track events the 96' brake upgrade should suffice. The Baer and Wilwood will provide ultimate braking at a price that must include 17" wheels. HERE is a great write up on various Brake Upgrades.

 

[GR8WYT]

Thanks for the feedback. I was planning on doing some open track events and slalom with the car. I have a new suspension sitting in boxes ready to go on when I change the brakes. That's why there is no money for the 17 inchers. I may have to rethink this whole thing. Anyone else out there that has experience with the Baers and slicers?

<small>[ March 13, 2003, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: GR8WYT ]</small>

 

[PanamaPat]

rlw001:
Unless you do track events the 96' brake upgrade should suffice. The Baer and Wilwood will provide ultimate braking at a price that must include 17" wheels. HERE is a great write up on various Brake Upgrades.

The TCE Wilwoods do not require a change in wheels.

 

[speedy91]

I have the 12.5" Baer's and run a 16" Borbet wheels, but I have not tried slicers.
Eric

 

[thebigjimsho]

The TCE kit does not require 17" wheels. What they do require are at least 16" wheels with enough clearance for the calipers, which the slicers don't have. boink

 

[GR8WYT]

Thanks for the opinions everyone, but I am still missing the definitive answer. Has anyone installed the 12.5" SS kit and used the 16" slicers?

 

[speedy91]

I am saying that slicers will not fit over the 12.5" Baer brakes.
Eric

 

[GR8WYT]

speedy91:
I have the 12.5" Baer's and run a 16" Borbet wheels, but I have not tried slicers.
Eric

Maybe I'm gonna be the first?

 

[speedy91]

Kevin,
I have not actually mounted slicers over the Baers so I do not know 100% that they will not work, but I am almost positive that they will not. I run a very open Borbet wheel on the track and they barely clear the caliper. The Baer caliper is much larger than any SHO caliper including the 96. I would never think of spending the money on the 12.5" Baers thinking I could run slicers over them. Just my opinion.
Eric

 

[jedhead]

I have seen generic PBR calipers on 12.5" rotors mounted on stock slicers. I am not sure if the BAER calipers will clear.

Bob

 

[Lance Cheney]

TheBigJimSho wrote:

The TCE kit does not require 17" wheels. What they do require are at least 16" wheels with enough clearance for the calipers, which the slicers don't have.

This is incorrect. I open track with a friend who has slicers for his street tires and they fit fine over his TCE 12.2" kit.

I'm not sure on the Bear Claw kit, but if you are planning on open tracking then buy the higher-quality TCE kit and be done with it knowing that it will fit.

Or, do the '96+ upgrade for $500 (including race pads). I haven't had any problems with mine (with Panther XP pads) even with a modded motor, although I haven't run it with the Quaife yet.

-Lance

PS. Wasn't the ShoShop one of the original marketers for this kit. I would think they would have tried it with slicers and if they say they won't fit then I wouldn't risk it.

<small>[ March 16, 2003, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: Lance Cheney ]</small>

 

[ohioshodude]

just a question. why go through all the trouble of having custom made 12.5" rotors if they don't fit under the stock wheels. i thought that was the point? isn't that why you would get the 12.5" instead of the 13"? maybe i'm wrong but i was always under the impression that the 12.5" for for the stock rims and 13" where for 17"+ rims.

 

[speedy91]

PBR and Baer and certain Cobras and certain Corvettes all run the same caliper. I run 16" wheels on the track and 17" on the street. There are several advantages of smaller rims in racing with weight and tire selection. If you are really nice, you can ask Mike at MidwestSHO to try some slicers on my car since it is at his shop right now. If I would only using one set of rims for both street and track, I would get 17" wheels and 13" brakes. The 12.5" brakes requires a very modified hub to work.
Eric

 

[thebigjimsho]

Lance Cheney:
TheBigJimSho wrote:

The TCE kit does not require 17" wheels. What they do require are at least 16" wheels with enough clearance for the calipers, which the slicers don't have.

This is incorrect. I open track with a friend who has slicers for his street tires and they fit fine over his TCE 12.2" kit.

I'm not sure on the Bear Claw kit, but if you are planning on open tracking then buy the higher-quality TCE kit and be done with it knowing that it will fit.

Or, do the '96+ upgrade for $500 (including race pads). I haven't had any problems with mine (with Panther XP pads) even with a modded motor, although I haven't run it with the Quaife yet.

-Lance

PS. Wasn't the ShoShop one of the original marketers for this kit. I would think they would have tried it with slicers and if they say they won't fit then I wouldn't risk it.

NO, not be done with it. I would assume there was some spacers or something added. Todd was very concerned about what wheels I was running. I told him I had 17" MOMOs that had plenty of clearance. They did. He said the slicers would not work. They didn't. I tried to bolt them on the car with the SHOstoppers on. I couldn't. boink

 

[twr]

My understanding is that the 12.5" Baers fit under the slicers, that was the reason behind the 12.5 kit. The 13" Tracks are tight on my 17" wheels. I know someone around here is running a 96' rotor with the PBR Calipers. That would be a nice compromise.

 

[SHO92]

My cousin has the Baer 12.5" kit that was sold by the SHO SHOP a few years ago. I don't know if they have changed the kit at all, but his kit fits under slicers. I think people may be confusing the Baer 12.5" kit with the Cobra 13" brakes. Both of these use PBR calipers, but the Cobra brakes will not fit under 16" wheels.

 

[Lance Cheney]

The BigJimSho wrote;

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TheBigJimSho wrote:

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The TCE kit does not require 17" wheels. What they do require are at least 16" wheels with enough clearance for the calipers, which the slicers don't have.
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This is incorrect. I open track with a friend who has slicers for his street tires and they fit fine over his TCE 12.2" kit.

I'm not sure on the Bear Claw kit, but if you are planning on open tracking then buy the higher-quality TCE kit and be done with it knowing that it will fit.

Or, do the '96+ upgrade for $500 (including race pads). I haven't had any problems with mine (with Panther XP pads) even with a modded motor, although I haven't run it with the Quaife yet.

-Lance

PS. Wasn't the ShoShop one of the original marketers for this kit. I would think they would have tried it with slicers and if they say they won't fit then I wouldn't risk it.
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NO, not be done with it. I would assume there was some spacers or something added. Todd was very concerned about what wheels I was running. I told him I had 17" MOMOs that had plenty of clearance. They did. He said the slicers would not work. They didn't. I tried to bolt them on the car with the SHOstoppers on. I couldn't.

This is odd. I can guarantee he doesn't have any spacers on the wheels, as I have helped him change his wheels out many times at track events. The only thing that could possibly be different is if they put on a different hub. I wasn't aware of any available, but maybe Todd had some custom-made for some of his kits.

I wonder if there could possibly be a tiny (1-2mm) offset difference between the directional and non-directional wheels (I'm not sure which style he has).

-Lance

 

[SHO92]

When you buy a 12.2" kit from Todd, he asks you what wheels you'll be running because he has different rotor hats for different wheels to provide the correct offset. My friend, Ian Fisher, has a used 12.2" kit. I can't remember which hats he has, but slicers will fit on his car, but they are no longer mounted hub centrically, neither are his 17" ASA wheels. Don't forget that Todd also sells a 13" Wilwood kit, which will not clear slicers. Before everyone gets even more confused, the Baer or Wilwood kit in question needs to be stated as to what size rotor they are running, not just if its a Baer or TCE kit, since they both can be had with different sized rotors.

If someone can host them for me, I have a picture of 12.2" wilwoods with slicers and also the baer 12.5" kit with slicers.

<small>[ March 18, 2003, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: SHO92 ]</small>

 

[DeaconBlue]

Someone has already done the Baer/PBR caliper with a modified mounting bracket on the '96 11.6" rotor. He then upgraded to the 13.0" rotor setup.