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What I plan on doing here soon (very soon, as we got to 99* today). courtesy of Bill (SHOBill), is run spacers between the DIS and X-over tube. Spacers are going to be made from either wood or some other material.... (I ran out of phenolic material :frown: ).

I allready have a remote ground for the DIS.
 

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What I plan on doing here soon (very soon, as we got to 99* today). courtesy of Bill (SHOBill), is run spacers between the DIS and X-over tube. Spacers are going to be made from either wood or some other material.... (I ran out of phenolic material :frown: ).

I allready have a remote ground for the DIS.

sounds cool!
 

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you can do this
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yep, thats what I did...I have a bit more gap though...
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(car's dirty)

It will still transfer heat, but not nearly as much as the full contact area would.
 

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You guys are totally destroying the reason it was designed that way. It's not just the heat from the engine bay its the heat produced by the DIS itself. Its mounted to the intake to disipate the heat since the intake is ice cold while the engine is running.
 

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With temps going to be 95*+ from here on out, my intake is never cool. (even while driving) and while I see your point about the intake being cool, but not ice cold.
 

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I think you would be suprised at the temp of the crossover tube with the engine operating while driving at speeds avbove say 25mph. It will keep the DIS a **** of alot cooler than the way you guys are rigging them up.
 

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You guys are totally destroying the reason it was designed that way. It's not just the heat from the engine bay its the heat produced by the DIS itself. Its mounted to the intake to disipate the heat since the intake is ice cold while the engine is running.
:stupid:
 

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I don't think I will be suprised... (I've taken temps)

Either way, it's still connected to the X-over tube via metal... so what heat it does put out (less than 100*) will transfer to the tube for the first 20mins of driving... after that...

And besides, the real reason behind this was the massive amount of heat soak the X-over tube gets after shut down.
 
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i think its time to install that frozen bag of vegetables that iv had laying around between my x over tube and my dis , then every one will be happy!
 
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AS5 is the best!

Ok- I briefly misread that... :rofl:

I've always used heatsink. Get it from a computer shop close by. And I don't go to Radio Shack. It freaks me out when they ask for my address, social security number, and blood type when I buy some batteries... :oogle:
 

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Ok- I briefly misread that... :rofl:

I've always used heatsink. Get it from a computer shop close by. And I don't go to Radio Shack. It freaks me out when they ask for my address, social security number, and blood type when I buy some batteries... :oogle:

You know you don't have to offer that info to Radio Shack and the will still take your money.
 

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www.newegg.com Over 1,300 reveiws on that site alone.

Or, if you have a CompUSA where you live, you can get it there too. It is the BEST thermal paste I have found according to the test data I've seen.
 

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Actually Arctic Silver's Ceramique has better proporties than Arctic Silver 5 but either are as good or better than cheapo heat sink compound.
 

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Actually Arctic Silver's Ceramique has better proporties than Arctic Silver 5 but either are as good or better than cheapo heat sink compound.
Here's a quote from "The Mad Scientist".

Nevin said:
Here, let me paraphrase and expand on my post from another thread a couple of months ago...

If we were to send 100 of you AS5 and Ceramique, I would expect that 65 to 75 would get the lowest temps with AS5 and 25 to 35 would get the lowest temps with Ceramique.

The contact areas of every CPU and heatsink are different. Some are flat, some are concave to one extent or another, and some are convex to one extent or another. Some surfaces are very smooth, others are slightly irregular and some are rough. The pressure applied to the thermal interface joint varies from heatsink to heatsink both in total and in evenness across the surface.

All these variables affect how well a certain thermal compound works on a given CPU and heatsink. There is much more to the real-world performance of a thermal interface than the bulk thermal conductivity of the compound. How well the compound wets or comes into intimate contact with the mating surfaces is also very important. If Compound A has twice the thermal conductivity of Compound B, but Compound B wets 90% of the mating surfaces while Compound A only wets 40%, Compound B with its lower thermal conductivity, but better wetting, will perform better if the bond line thickness is the same.

And that is the third compound factor affecting real-world performance; bond line thickness. How well is the compound able to squeeze out of the gap and allow as much physical contact as possible between the CPU and heatsink. If a compound spaces the heatsink away from the CPU, the performance could be worse than a compound with lower conductivity and less wetting that forms a much thinner bond line.

With regard to AS5 and Ceramique, AS5 has much higher thermal conductivity, but Ceramique is a bit better at surface wetting and forming a minimum bond line. Which combination of compound factors is most critical in your system depends on the characteristics of the interface gap noted above. Are the mating surfaces smooth or rough? Are they flat, concave or convex? How much pressure is there on the interface and is the pressure even?

If one of you were to bring your system to our lab, we could develop a compound that would work better on it than any of our retail compounds. But since that compound would be tweaked for the specific characteristics of your CPU to heatsink interface, it will probably perform much worse for some other systems where the thermal joint has different characteristics.

Our retail products have to perform well on the widest range of systems. On a scale of 1 to 100, it is much better to have a product perform in the 70 to 85 range on almost every system than that to have one that performs at the 95 range on some systems, but in the 35 range on others.

This is why you will continue to see posts where Ceramique performs better than AS5. On some systems it will. But on more systems, the AS5 will perform better. If Ceramique performs better than AS5 on your system then keep using Ceramique. Just be aware that the rankings may well change should you use a different heatsink or different CPU.

Also keep in mind that the break-in on AS5 is much longer than with Ceramique and the temperature drop can be more dramatic. I have seen systems where Ceramique was better after a week, but by six weeks, AS5 passed it and gave lower temperatures. Most of thermal compound break-in can be traced back to surface wetting and bond line thickness, the two factors where Ceramique has some advantage over AS5 right out of the gate. Since the silver particles in AS5 are much heavier than the fillers in Ceramique, it takes more time and more thermal cycling for AS5 to fully flaunt its superior thermal conductivity.

After saying all of this, I want to mention that Ceramique should never beat AS5 by the 6C noted in the first post of this thread. Since both the idle temperature and full-load temperature both dropped by at least 5C, I suspect that this new board is measuring temperatures about 4C to 5C lower than the old board. Since the rise in temperature across a thermal joint is proportional to the power, the difference between the compounds would be less at idle than it is at full load if all you were seeing was the compound change. If JudgeDredd had changed compounds without changing the motherboard, he probably would have seen no change at idle and 1C at load or possibly 1C at idle and 2C at load.

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

Most of the time, AS5 will come out on top ;-)
 

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