Anyone have a 91-95 flywheel?*URGENT*

[38SHO]

I heard this 89 has a 91 engine?

so I would assume, if that was right, and if they swapped over everything, that it might have the bigger flywheel.......

I ordered up the new clutch kit today, its for the bigger 91-95 style flywheels, if I get it apart tomorrow and its the smaller size, I might be stuck, does anyone here locally have an extra flywheel of that size laying around?

the clutch is making all kinds of noise, now it makes noise at any gear with clutch in or out... when it works... and when in nuetral.. but not as loud. I think parts of the pressure plate are breaking up.. it kind of sounded like a fishing reel with the drag going out when you tried to do downshifts.. now it just got 10x worse and sometimes quits working at all.. I think maybe a piece of the pressure plate broke off and is getting stuck behind the bearing or arm and its not always releasing.... usually when its F'ed up the pedal is about 3x harder then it was when working normally.........

welp I got half of it apart today, I see a few issues haha.... and the exhaust


broken subframe, right where the front mount is the thing is cracked in the inside edge along the engine..... I guess I'll run it... or try to weld it crappy...

I'd like to swap over my knuckles and 99SHO brakes from my green car... they are much better then these brakes... but I think my driver side needs a new wheel bearing.. might as well change it anyhow, I just changed the pax. side a couple weeks before I stopped driving it.....

also got a crapload of codes....... most notebly

14 Ignition pickup was erratic - Ignition Systems

19 (O) No Vehicle Power (pins 37 + 57) or bad PCM VPWR Diagnosis
(R) Erratic idle during test (reset throttle & retest) - Idle Set Procedures
Electronic ignition Cylinder ID sensor/circuit problem - Ignition Systems

my snapper scanner said it a little bit differently on code 19, but these are the descriptions from SHOPP....... for 19 I think it mentioned CID.....

when running the paper clip way I was copying down codes wrong, thinking I had 41 and 91.... but that is not the case.....





any help appreciated

 

[38SHO]

also I see that the CID is the cam sensor? it is pretty dirty.......

I do have an extra working used one laying on my bedroom floor haha... damn that would be too easy if that fixed the low power/bad idle/lotsa black smoke problem.........

also I must say..... besides everything else...

its going apart F'n amazing lol.. I don't think i've ever worked on a Taurus that didn't give problems.... I mean as rusted as those exhaust nuts looked, even the y-pipe came off without the use of a helping hand.... the MTX ypipe is so much easier to take out compared to ATX/SLO pipes......... all the mount nuts to subframe and rack nuts came off quite easily........ now I'm going to knock on wood so tomorrow my subframe bolts come out just as fine.........

wierd.....

 

[SHO-NUF93]

Sorry I didn't see this earlier...if you need a flywheel, I have the old one off of my car, after swapping to the billet steel unit. It's yours for just shipping. It just needs resurfacing...

And I'm just taking a stab at this, but those codes all kinda wave the 'bad ground' flag for me.

 

[38SHO]

it kind of looks like it needs a 60k though........ dirty engine, and the sensors are even dirtier!

I dunno if I am going to start tracking down grrounds when my sensors are caked in oil and dirt....... especially when I have a Cam sensor here laying around, I'll atleast swap em when I get the clutch working and see if it kills the code... if not then I'll start pulling hair out

 

[JaySHOguy]

No sir...motor should be the same one it rolled out of the factory with in '89. I did not swap it when I owned the car (i think I sold it in 2004).

Just curious, but what does the odometer read for mileage now?


Sorry, I can't help with the error codes. Have you replaced the IAC valve (low power???)?


Sucks to hear it is in that condition.


Here's a link to my old Imagestation account I had when the car was for sale originally. The only thing missing from these pics is the flat-black Police Grille.
http://www.imagestation.com/4544890/4178213391

 

[K-Dawg]

Todd, I have a flywheel, but its on an engine and I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it off. I'll check this afternoon.

 

[38SHO]

F that means I need a flywheel

*smacks forehead*

welp I guess I"ll just have to take my time, but I need to be done with my car in a week and have it running or else our shop is going on vacation and I won't be able to work their for 3 weeks....... he won't let me work their by myself for safety reasons......... and everyone else will be out of town/state... this sucks big time...............

**** **** ****....... I might have to buy a light flywheel and have it shipped fast $$$$$$$$ my girlfriend is going to reem me out.. I've already spent like 700 bucks fixing this car..... and I haven't even tapped into brakes/tires/suspension/engine maintenance!

 

[38SHO]

also mileage is around 180 I think.... 176k maybe?

 

[Jonny Cash]

I heard this 89 has a 91 engine?

so I would assume, if that was right, and if they swapped over everything, that it might have the bigger flywheel....

I was told by the previous owner that the motor and tranny was replaced. This was the mechanic boyfriend.

I ordered up the new clutch kit today, its for the bigger 91-95 style flywheels, if I get it apart tomorrow and its the smaller size, I might be stuck, does anyone here locally have an extra flywheel of that size laying around?

Measure it to make sure, the tranny has been replaced twice according to the previous owner.

the clutch is making all kinds of noise, now it makes noise at any gear with clutch in or out... when it works... and when in nuetral.. but not as loud. I think parts of the pressure plate are breaking up.. it kind of sounded like a fishing reel with the drag going out when you tried to do downshifts.. now it just got 10x worse and sometimes quits working at all.. I think maybe a piece of the pressure plate broke off and is getting stuck behind the bearing or arm and its not always releasing.... usually when its F'ed up the pedal is about 3x harder then it was when working normally.........

Yea the clutch was a bit noisy. Like we talked about. But damn.. There was never any change in the feel of the pedal. Like I said, I certainly drove the car hard at times, but never put any hard initial impact on the driveline (burnouts, hard shifting)

broken subframe, right where the front mount is the thing is cracked in the inside edge along the engine..... I guess I'll run it... or try to weld it crappy...

Never noticed that.. Ive never hit anything in the car, and its certainly not rusted to that point.

I'd like to swap over my knuckles and 99SHO brakes from my green car... they are much better then these brakes... but I think my driver side needs a new wheel bearing.. might as well change it anyhow, I just changed the pax. side a couple weeks before I stopped driving it.....

I swapped the old wheel bearings out before I came to FLA. They were in decent shape. Ive only put 7k on the car since then. Along with new LCA's , and strut rod hardware/bushings. FWIW, the knuckles are from a 93.

14 Ignition pickup was erratic - Ignition Systems

19 (O) No Vehicle Power (pins 37 + 57) or bad PCM VPWR Diagnosis
(R) Erratic idle during test (reset throttle & retest) - Idle Set Procedures
Electronic ignition Cylinder ID sensor/circuit problem - Ignition Systems

Try reseting the idle, see what happens. Defintly replace the O2's and rid the cats. I would start there. I had problems getting the car to pass strict New England emissions, so I left the cats.. They smelled sometimes, just rip that whole POS pipe out. Update me when you change that cam sensor. i dont know this for sure because I didnt do it, but from what I seen, the 60k looked like it was done at least in the last 30k or so.

my snapper scanner said it a little bit differently on code 19, but these are the descriptions from SHOPP....... for 19 I think it mentioned CID.....

when running the paper clip way I was copying down codes wrong, thinking I had 41 and 91.... but that is not the case.....

Did you try the KOEO test? (engine off) We never tried that. You might get something different.

That sucks your having problems with the car. Especially the clutch. I guess you have bigger expectations for it than I did. I hope you dont feel like you got a raw deal..

F that means I need a flywheel

No, not necessarily.

 

[SASHO91]

why not pull the starter? could have done that to begin with...

 

[38SHO]

the KOEO codes are the 14 and 19..........

plus I have a MAF code but I forgot to plug it in one day and I think thats what it is....... I got it to idle better the other day, I took apart the IAC... PITA... sprayed the **** out of it with brake cleaner and it seems to help? I also removed a couple things

I know SHO's are problematic, I know I'll be working on it... I'm not too suprised at the clutch, that happens, its a wear item, I knew it was making noise.... but I do wish I could atleast get the engine running decent, this car is slow as **** on the top end....... my old 3.8 Taurus would whipe the floors with this car.........

I ordered a catless equal length Y from SHObros... should be arriving within a couple weeks I'd bet.....

slight oil leak in rear area, major in front....... hopefully its just the rear seal leaking, if its anything else I won't be fixing that as I'm planning on putting the 3.2 in here one day.... I'm not gonna waiste time or money putting a new oil pan seal on

if I get lucky and the sensors are replaced and it fixes the bad running problems, the clutch gets replaced, the subframe welded, and my coolant leak fixed... this car wouldn't be THAT bad and would probably run pretty good for awhile....... lets all keep our fingers crossed

 

[Jonny Cash]

I'm not gonna waiste time or money putting a new oil pan seal on

I would. If the pipe and clutch is coming out it'll be easy.

if I get lucky and the sensors are replaced and it fixes the bad running problems, the clutch gets replaced, the subframe welded, and my coolant leak fixed... this car wouldn't be THAT bad and would probably run pretty good for awhile....... lets all keep our fingers crossed

LMK what happens with it.

 

[K-Dawg]

Couldn't get that flywheel off because I couldn't keep the crank from spinning. I might be able to hit it with my neighbor's impact this weekend, though.

Otherwise, I'll have the flywheel out of my car next week or the week after.

 

[Jonny Cash]

Couldn't get that flywheel off because I couldn't keep the crank from spinning. I might be able to hit it with my neighbor's impact this weekend, though.

Otherwise, I'll have the flywheel out of my car next week or the week after.

Your up there wrenching with no air? If you need to borrow a compressor and a gun when you do the swap let me know.

 

[K-Dawg]

i might pull my neighbor's compressor over when I get to working on the car, but honestly, doing it by hand isn't that bad. Remember, you're in FL now. Nuts and bolts are willing to come off.

 

[38SHO]

ok my flywheel is the same, thank the lord!

thx tho Kelvin

I need to try to get my subframe welded and try to swap over my entire knuckles off the 94.........

the pan is leaking oil in the rear, so I'm planning on doing the 3.2 swap down the line so I won't waiste money on that........ its not leaking that bad there anyhow.....

the small spring flew out on the clutch disc, got wedged in the pressire plate, chewed it up some... ouch

clutch had a little life left in it besides that........

besides everything else its comming along good, hopefully have it going this weekend!

hey Jay, still haven't titled it... hope its all good.... that title is from the person who owned it before you, and then your name is signed on the purchaser area... so they might try to F me... if they do u might have to title it in your name, get a title that I can sign as purchaser, then transfer to my name........ hopefully we won't have to go through that nightmare........ anyone else have any ideas on that... also to make it worse its an out of state title

 

[Jonny Cash]

ok my flywheel is the same, thank the lord!

the pan is leaking oil in the rear, so I'm planning on doing the 3.2 swap down the line so I won't waiste money on that........ its not leaking that bad there anyhow.....

RTV= op gasket. That motor is good. If it was me, Id put the 3.2 on the stand, build it slowly, beat the crap out of the 3.0 until it was tired enough to retire.

hey Jay, still haven't titled it... hope its all good.... that title is from the person who owned it before you, and then your name is signed on the purchaser area... so they might try to F me... if they do u might have to title it in your name, get a title that I can sign as purchaser, then transfer to my name........ hopefully we won't have to go through that nightmare........ anyone else have any ideas on that... also to make it worse its an out of state title

Whatever you need me to do. I have no idea how they work it in FL. In Mass anything over 10 years old doesent need a title.

We need to meet up soon anyway. I have something of yours, and I want to use your scanner. Ive been having problems with the truck.

 

[38SHO]

whatsup with the truck?

 

[JaySHOguy]

In Mass anything over 10 years old doesent need a title.
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Bzzzzt. That 10-year rule is legal (with proof of past ownership) in Rhode Island, not Massachusetts. Any car registered in MA has a title.

I hope you can get the problems sorted out in this car.

 

[38SHO]

welp I got the Taurus back on the road..........

I also think I have a bad ECU and changing that might cure some problems!