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Well, my underdrive pulleys were ordered almost two weeks ago, all but the alt pulley was in stock and that one was due "any day"...apparently they really mean "any day this year". It really BURNS me to have to buy ANYTHING from SHO Shop...ASP makes a set of pulleys but I don't want to underdrive the crank, so my only option is SHO Shop. Even Nick at SHO NUT (whom I ordered the pulleys through) is frustrated with them. All I can ask is this...what the **** happened to SHO Shop?? They used to be decent, but they just absolutely rip a$$ these days. Sorry for the rant...I'm stuck in my 60k/winter mod fest until the pulleys get here. I'm gonna be ****** if I have to forgo the pulleys to get the car back on the road :mad: :mad:
 

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Chris,

Wish I could help you out but unfortunately, I had the same problem with the same item!
My underdrive pulleys (the alternator one was in, the other 2 were backordered), must have taken 3 months.
Josh from Sho Nut took a set that was on one of his cars and put them on mine in the meantime, and just said once mine came in he'd send them to me and I could swap them and send his back.

I tell you, if it wasn't for Josh and Nick, I think Sho Shop would be having a very difficult time in the Sho community.
 

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I placed an order with them on the UDPs recently as well. It did take a few weeks to get them in, but they let me know up front that they were out of stock on one of the pulleys, so I was expecting it.
 

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I've been moderating on the list for quite a while now on various threads on SHO-related parts and rants on SHO Shop, and feel it's about time I need to explain a few things about SHO Shop to the forum.
As most of you very well know, there is not a lot aftermarket support for the Taurus SHO. Because of this, we are forced to manufacture about 75% of the performance parts offered for the SHO. When parts are manfactured, they are manfactured for us in batch quantities. When that batch is exhausted, depending on the demand of work on the pareticular supplier, it takes time for a new order to come in. When placing an order with us, and a particular part is out of stock, I'll tell you up front about the backorder. I feel I'm very honest to the customer regarding a backorder status. Even those that have placed orders with SHO NUT wondering about the status of their backorder are more than welcome to call myself for a status on their particular order. Ordering your parts through us or a SHO Shop reseller is not going to make an order ship faster, since orders are shipped as they are recieved. I understand in the past there have been some problems with customer service with our company and I'm doing everything in my power to change that. We've even hired an extra person on the phones to handle calls. 90% of the time, I anwser the phone myself. I'm doing everything in my power to keep parts on the shelf and rebuilt that customer trust and I'm more than prepared to meet this challenge. I have a love for this type of car, and have just when I think I've seen just about every type of configuration possible from particular owners, I just find that is not true. The SHOs I've seen are about as special as their owners.
Sorry for going off topic though, the rest of the Underdrive Pulley Sets are due in by tomorrow I'm told.
:confused: As for Greg Raciti's order, that's real funny, I didn't recieve your order for your pulleys until 2/7, but I still honored the Fall Discount we previously offered since Josh "claimed" he faxed the order in then.

All questions can be directed my myself either by email or preferably by phone.
 

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Tom,
Thanks for your continued help to keep these cars running faster. We all get frustrated from time to time, but I know we would all agree that these cars would not be anywhere near what they are today without your shop. Keep up the good work. I personally have A LOT of shoshop mods to my car, and don't have complaints with the parts themselves or how fast I recieved them.
 

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Welcome to the board, Tom. I'm sure you meant "monitoring". wink

I'm glad to see the interaction with SHO Shop surfacing here publicly. I think the 2-way communication will help work toward repairing the customer service reputation that seems to have been lingering with SS over the years.

I agree as well that I have not really had an issue with the quality of products provided by SHO Shop. It's a great thing to have a tuner & performance shop available for these cars. Tom's tried to accomodate my needs since his return to SS.

So Tom, what's the current setup and status on your car?
 

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i havent direcly delt with SHO Shop but Shawn is waiting on the shims to install my quaife. He said id have the reanny next week but im having my doubts due to the large number of complaints about poor service. Id love to see them push the shims off onto somebody else.
 

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Tom,

Certainly the SHO Shop has contributed greatly to the SHO aftermarket, however being one of a select few organizations offering parts for our cars is still no excuse for poor customer service and items of questionable construction and durability. There is certainly no shortage of Taurus SHO enthusiasts or SVT Contour enthusiasts who have had ill dealings in the past, either with defective parts or extreme difficulty getting parts at all. Several people I know as well as myself have left phone messages only to be ignored. People have placed orders, only to wait weeks or months for the items that were advertised as either in stock or due "any day now." Personally, my last SHO Shop experience was about a year and a half ago when I ordered the cold air snorkel...it took 3 weeks to get this "in stock" part and it was far from the bolt-on item it was advertised to be. I had to do some minor cutting on my 95 MTX just to get it to fit properly...the mounting holes did not line up correctly, and within 2 months the paint was flaking off...that was because there wasn't any sort of primer applied before the finish coat. Frankly, for $120.00 I expected a LOT more than a what I received.

Before that, I contacted SHO Shop about an MTX y-pipe. Despite the many reports I'd heard about poor fitment and cats burning out within months I decided the cost was right, so I called and left messages not once, not twice, but THREE times. I left my name, the organization I was with and the item I wanted to buy. Two days and no return message, so I called Performance Plus, ordered their y-pipe and had it two days later, and that pipe continues to serve dutifly under my 89 :D

For the past two years, the SVT/SHO Society has contacted the SHO Shop in regards to Spring Zing...a national convention featuring the two main cars SHO Shop deals with...Taurus SHO's and SVT Contours. We've contacted several organizations about participating as a sponsor...it's certainly not for everyone and we completely understand not wanting to participate, and we hold no misgivings to these businesses as such. However, from ALL the businesses we contacted we received at the very least a polite phone message/conversation or email thanking us for the offer and declining to participate, but from SHO Shop there wasn't a single message. Not a call, email, or even a simple no thanks.

Obviously I'm not alone in my ill dealings, of which I'm sure you're aware. I've met several people in person from both the SHO and Contour community and many more online through this forum, the Contour Enthusiasts Group and SHOtimes.com who've not had the best experience with SHO Shop. And I must be completely honest here...the only reason I'm purchasing these pulleys is because my SHO sees some agressive driving, both at the drag strip and road course so accessory wear is a real concern to me. I do not want to upset the balance on the crankshaft by underdriving the crank pulley, so the SHO Shop was my only alternative, and this was a long, drawn out choice for me, even with the driving conditions my SHO sees. I choose to order through SHO NUT because in my opinion they set the bar for excellence, quality and customer relations in the SHO aftermarket community. Every dealing I've had with Nick and Josh has been flawless...they've gone WAY out of their way to keep me a satisfied customer, and in return I've given them (and will continue to do so) my own business time and again, as well as the business of countless other SHO enthusiasts both inside and outside my organization.

Tom, I do want to commend you for addressing us here at SHOforum. I can certainly appreciate the contributions that the SHO Shop has made to the SHO community. I know it makes for difficult business at times, catering to a select group of enthusiasts, and it's commendable to see the SHO Shop still in business and turning a profit (I assume) after all these years. I also want to commend you HIGHLY for attempting to make amends to the significant damage done to the SHO Shop reputation over the past few years. I think you have a good start, coming to the enthusiasts and talking to them directly, but I'm sure you understand that there is a LONG way to go. At this point I feel it will take more than just words and pep speeches...at least it will for me. It's time to make better products at reasonable prices, maintain strong customer service and honor orders in a timely manner. I understand that sometimes items are backordered, but there is simply no excuse for the big delays many of us have experienced when an item is labeled as in stock or arriving "any day now."

Tom, once again let me say thank you for addressing the board. It is refreshing to know that SHO Shop is at least attempting to build some new bridges. I hope you don't see this message as a flame...just an unhappy customer voicing his concerns.
 

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Tom,

I guess my frustration stems from when I needed to purchase an exhaust from the SHO SHOP. I called and called to order a stainless setup, but just got the run around. I could not waint any longer so I purchased a Scott system.

I have SHO Shop mods on my car, and I think that the quality of product is outstanding, yet the customer service is pretty bad. I don't care how busty a place is, all folks that have orders in house should be kept in the loop when their products will ship. We already paid for the items and email is free.

If the UDP order was messed up by Josh at SHO Nut, then I apologize for the comment. Bottom line is that my oder was placed back in October. We were told that the WP pullies were on back order, then everyone got their order except me.

SHO Shop may not be at fault for this one, but this would be a first for SHO NUT.

The reason order SHO Shop parts from other vendors is that we like the parts, but don't want the hassle of dealing with SHO Shop customer service.

Don't take this poat as an attack, but use to it to better your organization.
 

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SHO Shop:
Sorry for going off topic though, the rest of the Underdrive Pulley Sets are due in by tomorrow I'm told.
Well...Tom posted that message on March 7th...it's now 4 days later and I just recieved an email from Nick at SHO NUT stating that the alt pulleys were still "any day now." This is the problem I have with SHO Shop..."any day now" and "due in by tomorrow" does NOT mean 2 1/2 weeks. And despite Tom's encouraging words I unfortunately don't see anything changing at SHO Shop. If someone else is doing their manufacturing, then perhaps they need to find a more reputable, reliable shop to do the work, because the bad press is falling on SHO Shop, and not the manufacturer. Pretty soon, "any day now" is going to mean three weeks...never mind the "due in by tomorrow I'm told" that Tom said above. I'll be giving this just a few more days, and if nothing is in I'll be cancelling my order and looking elsewhere...probably what I should have done in the first place shoot
 

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I apologize for the delay in a reply. I went home sick on Friday and do not check mail until I get back into the office.

As for the Underdrive Pulleys, our supplier informed me the pulleys would be in "any day now" as I informed Nick today. I only relay information as it is given to me, and I'm constantly on the phone trying to get parts in a timely fashion to satisfy orders. I believe I'm honest when I'm making promises on ETAs of parts, and I'm the one that takes the heat when promises aren't satisfied, not Vadim. It's stressful. It seems so easy as picking up the phone and placing an order for a part like a Mustang or a Camaro, but that just isn't the fact with a particular vehicle like the SHO. Parts are custom made and take time to arrive. Not that 4 months is an excuse, but I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make.

Again, I appreciate your patience in this matter. The pulleys will definately be worth it all in the end. :D I believe I'm come to a personal level with clients and will definately make it up the certain individuals that have been patient enough with us.

As for the modifications on my '96, here's the current list:

'96 Taurus SHO, Rose Mist/Saddle Interior
SHO Shop HiFlow Airbox
SHO Shop Aluminized Catback System
SHO Shop ByPass Pipe
Modified Y-Pipe
Roush Lowering Springs
Baer Brake System
17x7.5 MIM Venezia Wheels on 245/45/17 BFGs
26mm Rear Sway Bar w/ Poly Bushings
Poly Strut Rod Bushings (rear)
SHO Shop SARC Switch
SHO Shop Front Strut Tower Brace
Modified Rear Tubular Control Arms (retained SARC)
NEW SHO Shop Underdrive Pulley Set
PIAA Headlamps

Last we dynoed, we were producing 225hp. Not too bad, but I do miss the 5-speed in my old '89. (well, 4 speed, 1st gear was obsolete with the supercharger :p )

I'll be contacting Nick as soon as the pulleys are shipped.
 

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Must say you're scoring high with showing up here Tom! I am buying a used shoshop blueprinted MTX tranny with quaife & I've heard great things. Glad to see you take the time & make an effort to make the shoshop more customer friendly. thumbs_u

Adam Varney

Oh & by the way... why are the shoshop linears no longer being produced? I'm getting a set but just wondered why they fell by the wayside.

<small>[ March 12, 2002, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: ACV1081 ]</small>
 

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I've never ordered from SHO Shop, but have heard much about them, both good and bad. Tom, you took the time to register with SHOForum and post responses to complaints, and I believe that to be an excellent start to improving customer service. Perhaps Greg could add a new forum topic specifically for SHO Shop orders?? It would be pretty cool to be able to order and/or organize group buys from THIS website.
 

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Tom is honestly speaking what he has been told. I used to fight with Reese and Norcold on a weekly basis back when I was 17 and working at Camping World (feel free to laugh). Here is a short list of things you will here everyday you talk to vendors.

1: OH yes I just go that it must have been held up.
2: I think that shipped you should get it anyday.
3: I will call the warehouse as soon as I get off the phone with you.
4: I will ship it tomorrow, don't worry.
5: This is the first time I've heard of a problem.
6: Oh the part was held up it will be out this week.

You guys think you have it bad try telling the guy with is 100,000 dollar Pace Arrow or Halfmillion dollar Cruiser that his vaction/retirement is now on a weeks hold till Banks gets a header too you or his steaks are going to melt before his new fridge comes. It sucked but that and working at the auction prepared me for law enforcement no one is more interesting to **** off than a millionare. :)

Tim M.
 

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SnoSho,

I have actually found quite the opposite where I live.
My clients who are truly millionaire's and/or extremely wealthy, are usually more understanding. They know that stuff can happen as they own or work at large corporations, and they just deal with that. Plus, they tend to be too busy to nag at every little detail. "My project will be completed 1 month later than first thought? Okay, just make it happen and you get your money then. Have a nice day".

It's the mid/upper income people who tend to get really nuts. Especially the ones who have recently started to do better for themselves. I think that they believe that a little more money means that the world should stop and bow to them in a misguided attempt to act as they believe 'rich' people act.

Oops, off topic a bit there.
I agree that Tom coming here and opening communication is a real positive step. Granted, he is probably very busy and cannot be here non stop so people addressing him here will have to be patient. But I do see that it is reassuring to know that the Sho Shop does not like what is being said about them and is taking the steps to correct that image.
 

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Again, thanks for the understanding from my point of view. Believe it or not, I am on your side.

As for Adam Varney's question about the SS Linear Springs: We made special arrangements with Intrax to manufacture our springs for us, since our current supplier at the time took as long as 6 months in between orders. Even though the Intrax springs will not lower the car as much as the SS Linears did, we feel that it is a comparable product in quality. Any lower in ride height will suffer serious tire wear and/or alignment problems. This is just one of the reasons we chose not to offer coil-overs for street applications.
 

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Tom, I'll try to be polite here, but there are several parts I have wanted to buy from SHO SHOP, but have held off due to everything I have heard, especially personally hearing about some of the SS maladies from Fred Hurder and seeing his SHO not run so hot with the "9psi" blower that Vadim had the 15psi pulley on(by mistake?). Maybe that's why his stock engine fell after 3 days? The facts are in black and white, and also on file at the BBB. The BBB in your area's website actually warns not to buy from you due to extremely poor customer service and high volume of complaints against both SS, and the BMW side of the business. Maybe your reasons are genuine, but they could be excuses. Another phone person is not going to help with the runaround. Maybe you should hire Nick Chrimes or Josh T to be an independent consultant because it does seem like SS needs an internal makeover.

That's my $.02
 

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Well I DID put this whole big reply in here last night, and now it's not here. Hmmm.

Summary:

Tom's working on it, and perhaps if we give him a chance to prove to us that things are turning around, they will. If we beat him to death on issues that happened when he wasn't even there, he's likely to throw his hands up in the air and say why bother.

If I can feel good about giving Tom a shot, I think everybody can... :D

Maybe if we remember to focus on the current issues instead of the past problems, Tom can work through these things and come out on the other side better than before.
 

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Tom, I'll try to be polite here, but there are several parts I have wanted to buy from SHO SHOP, but have held off due to everything I have heard, especially personally hearing about some of the SS maladies from Fred Hurder and seeing his SHO not run so hot with the "9psi" blower that Vadim had the 15psi pulley on(by mistake?). Maybe that's why his stock engine fell after 3 days?
That's my $.02
Yamaha didn't build the engine with the thought in might for supercharging. As Fred has learned, and just about everyone else that goes with forced induction, it's best to go with a lower compression built motor that was put together with the thought in mind that a s/c is going to be added.
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My only dealing with the SHOshop, was buying UDP's for my 92. I was very impressed with the quality of product I recieved, in a timely manor, despite all the bad I've heard.
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