any info on turbocharging an SHO

[Mr Anonymous]

There is a VERY good reason why there is only one running turbo SHO in this country. Please prove me wrong.

AMEN!!!

 

[MotorMouth]

HERE IS AN ABSOLUTE MINUMUM PARTS LISTS FOR TC'ing A SHO

Notice I say absolute minumum. Because anything less than this will NOT work.

1-turbo-$500-1500

1-WG-$100-400

1-BOV-$50-300

1-MAF-$50-150

1-tuning device - $200-550

1-fuel pump-$100-150

6-fuel injectors-$??

intake and exhaust plumbing-if you had the sources you could get it for very cheap

This is not a very acurate list for things you need. You do not need an external gate especially if you are going to run low boost. An internal will work very well plus it will help save on room needed. The BOV is subjective. A bov is desighned to prevent compressor surge when the throttle body closes, on an auto the TB dose not close as many times as a stick and for the most part not as abruptly. A low boost set up will be fine in an auto with out one. Stick car is kind of a must have.

My question is this. If it is ok to use Nitrous why is it not ok to turbo?

If you make the same ammount of power between the two what the **** is the differance? Granted you have the latent cooling affects of Nitrous that you don't have with a turbo and turbo's create heat that can be overcome for the most part with aftercooling. But all things being equal you are still puting an added load into the drive train with both.

With nitrous, yes you do not use it all the time but with a turbo car you are not on the boost all the time either. Turboghargers are linear and do not instantly shock the drive line with added power. Nitrous is activated and that rush of power instontaniously shocks the drive line unless you are using some type of progressive controller.

If you use your nitrous system on a semi regular basis, say 2 bottles a month. At 35 dollars a fill that is 70 a month and 840 dollars a year (if you were to run year around). Now granted this is probably out of line for most N2O users but in a couple of years you will have spent as much if not more on the gas than the turbo set up cost you.

N2O= More fuel, more air and bigger boom. Car gose faster.

Turbo=More fuel, more air and bigger boom. Car gose faster.

Other than the fact that one is less complicated than the other it is still fundemuntally the same process. The people who are spending their life savings trying to turbo a car are doing it wrong or are getting carryed away with it and turning up the boost to high.

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

Chris, I almost bought that car a WHILE ago, ****, about a year ago. And I drove it quaifeless. Go drive a quaifed supercharged SHO, then get back in yours. You'll see why I say go quaife or go home.


Your no clutch dumping is probably a pretty good method to save the diff and the clutch, but you know as well as I do, its hard not to break those babies loose.

I want to get a quaife...I am just lacking the $$$ at the moment.

 

[Toolman]

This is not a very acurate list for things you need. You do not need an external gate especially if you are going to run low boost.

Low boost will not appease you for very long. Why limit yourself from the get-go?

An internal will work very well plus it will help save on room needed. The BOV is subjective. A bov is desighned to prevent compressor surge when the throttle body closes, on an auto the TB dose not close as many times as a stick and for the most part not as abruptly. A low boost set up will be fine in an auto with out one. Stick car is kind of a must have.

I did not know we were discussing an ATX. Even still, again, why limit yourself from the beginning? And putting time and energy into a system that is inherently limiting in it's design makes little sense to me.

My question is this. If it is ok to use Nitrous why is it not ok to turbo?

If you make the same ammount of power between the two what the **** is the differance? Granted you have the latent cooling affects of Nitrous that you don't have with a turbo and turbo's create heat that can be overcome for the most part with aftercooling. But all things being equal you are still puting an added load into the drive train with both.

And I would never recommend someone put nitrous on an otherwise stock car either. Since all of your scenario's are limiting the turbo to low boost, then my argument is that a well designed nitrous system will cost much less and provide equal power gains. Sure, the life costs may end up being more assuming you use that much nitrous, but you still save so much time and energy, and time=money in my book.

Other than the fact that one is less complicated than the other it is still fundemuntally the same process. The people who are spending their life savings trying to turbo a car are doing it wrong or are getting carryed away with it and turning up the boost to high.

Nobody is saying you have to spend your life savings, but to expect a well-running reliable turbo SHO to be had for less than 3k is expecting too much. I have had my car for two years and over 40k miles. The only issues I have faced because of the added power is blowing 3rd gear (which has happened twice). There is simply no getting around that until I get Josh's gearset. There is no way a 3k outlay is going to get the results I have. 430whp, 412ft lbs (still the most tq I have ever seen documented on a SHO).

Trust me, I would love for there to be as many TC'd SHO's running around as there are SC'd SHO's. It would be so much easier learing from them than making it all up as I go. And trust me, if you could have one for 3k there would be lots of em, but simply put, and I say this for the hundreth time, reliable speed costs money.

 

[Chris Benvie]

Woah buddy you want this on an ATX?

You're wicked screwed. $3k? Thats your transmission right there.Blech.

 

[Mike Kopstain]

He's got the right idea. The ATX is ideal for a 1/4 mile car. You can have a bullet proof ATX for $1800ish. We used to sell ours for $1800 installed with a 1 year warranty even under racing. We had one transmission come back to us. Building an ATX is not rocket science, but building one up for a 1/4 mile car is a smart move.

 

[Toolman]

He's got the right idea. The ATX is ideal for a 1/4 mile car. You can have a bullet proof ATX for $1800ish. We used to sell ours for $1800 installed with a 1 year warranty even under racing. We had one transmission come back to us. Building an ATX is not rocket science, but building one up for a 1/4 mile car is a smart move.

You sold SHO atx's for $1800? Or GP?

And if you can warranty one for 430whp and 412ft lbs I have a buyer for you.

 

[trueSHO]

No, It's a MTX... Might of got in over my head here, had an idea, but I maybe don't want to start buying stuff and end up never finising it, then getting a thousand dollars for the car when its all messed up. Maybe I'll stick with regular bolt ons... and some cams and stuff that isn't gonna be as much of a project. That way I can get help (cuz people actually have done it before). Thanks for the posts guys.
A turbo SHO would be sweet though. Gotta keep it in my head

 

[CALL AAA]

On a somewhat related note, I have seen this kind of thing in the past (not just with SHOs, but with other cars.) Someone will cruise a junkyard and come across a turbo, and grab it, just because. Then they have this turbo and all kinds of crazy visions flash before their eyes, and then it's like, "Ok, I've got this turbo, now what do I do?"

 

[FOSHO94]

I just can't see how a Forced Induction SHO of any type, will last, have any traction, or be anything more than a mildly amusing smoke show of one tire and a clutch. This of course being without a quaife and a stock clutch.


I am the biggest naysayer in this whole "you can build a turboSHO for under $3000 and have it be fun" hogwash. How is replacing transmissions clutches and gaskets weekly anyfun? The guys with the wicked heavily built SHOs still break stuff daily.

Yes we can argue, "well if he runs at low boost..." What male under the age of 25, in thier right mind, wants to run a car at less of what its capable (altho it might break) of? Not anyone I know. But hey that could just be us Massholes that like that crazy *** ****.


I maybe wrong, but thats just how I see it.

Glad I amuse you Jeff.

haha, didn't mean any offense, i just find it funny the way you've flamed some people in the past