Accessory power???

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Pintony

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Hello Group,
The Route 66 Drive-in Theater Skyview in Litchfield Illinois opened last night.
In a previous post I had asked about battery choice.
Anyway... At the drive-in you play the audio through your SHO stereo.

Several times the accessory power shut down during the movie.
My question is...
Does the power shut down after a certain amount of time or does the computer sense a low level in the battery cause this to happen? Each time this happened I started the SHO "BTW this is on the 014" ;et it run for several minuets and then shut down the engine.
There did not seem to be a specified amount of time between shutdowns/
Each time there was a prompt on the screen saying shutting down to conserve power,

There was a -013-016 SHO parked in front of me that did not seem to have this issue. As the brakes were not applied during either of the 2 movies.

Ultimately... Will the purchase of a BXT65-850 solve this problem?
Or is there a setting where I can turn this shutdown off?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 

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I don't know about your car, but on my '13, I can turn the radio on without touching the ignition at all. I don't even need the keys. I don't know if it will stay on for 3-4 hours in a row, but you don't need the accessory power to use the radio.
 

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I don't know about your car, but on my '13, I can turn the radio on without touching the ignition at all. I don't even need the keys. I don't know if it will stay on for 3-4 hours in a row, but you don't need the accessory power to use the radio.
Well... How do you do it???
 

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When you turn off the engine without opening a door, power stays on for about 10 minutes. If you press the starter button one time with your foot off the brake, it should stay in accessory mode indefinitely - or until you press the button again.
 

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When you turn off the engine without opening a door, power stays on for about 10 minutes. If you press the starter button one time with your foot off the brake, it should stay in accessory mode indefinitely - or until you press the button again.

Thank you for your response brucelinc,

So... you are saying what 2011TAURUSSEL, is saying...
The SHO is going into preservation mode.
Then I guess I need to buy a new battery...
 

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If you are getting the message on the screen, it sounds like it is shutting down due to a weak battery. I wouldn't have expected that on a 2014 already but it sounds like that is the issue - unless you are also leaving the lights or some other high-draw features on.
 

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What's the build date on your '14, Pintony? 3 years is a pretty typical lifespan for OEM batteries nowadays, and OEM is still the 650, not 850 :( Hopefully the 850 will work out much better, it has occasionally failed in some SHOs. An Odyssey or similar heavy duty AGM battery, along with the BMS reset should work very well.

But before that, check what the voltage is on the battery with everything off (12.5V or so). Then check with the engine running (idling, revving at 2,000; 14-14.5V, but def less than 15.1V). Just want to make sure the generator/alternator is not at fault (likelihood is way less than the battery failing, but YMMV). If you want to loadtest, use a digital load tester like the Solar BA5. It's possible that the battery current sensor and/or the gen/alt current sensor have failed, if nothing else makes sense.

NOTE: No factory-equipped vehicle should have more than a 50 mA (0.050 amp) draw.

NOTE: Many electronic modules draw 10 mA (0.010 amp) or more continuously.

NOTE: Typically, a drain of approximately 1 amp is attributed to an engine compartment lamp, glove compartment lamp or interior lamp staying on continually. Other component failures or wiring shorts are located by selectively pulling fuses to pinpoint the location of the current drain. When the current drain is found, the meter reading falls to an acceptable level. If the drain is still not located after checking all the fuses, it may be due to the generator. Disconnect the generator and retest.

NOTE: To accurately test the drain on a battery, an in-line ammeter must be used between the negative battery post and its respective cable. Use of a test lamp or voltmeter is not an accurate method.
  1. Make sure the junction box(es)/fuse panel(s) is accessible without turning on the interior lights or the underhood lights.
  1. Drive the vehicle at least 5 minutes and over 48 km/h (30 mph) to turn on and activate the vehicle systems.
  1. Allow the vehicle to sit with the key out of the ignition for at least 40 minutes to allow the modules to time out/power down.
  1. Connect a fused jumper wire (30A) between the negative battery cable and the negative battery post to prevent modules from resetting.
  1. Disconnect the negative battery cable from the negative battery post without breaking the connection of the jumper wire.
  1. NOTICE: To prevent damage to the meter, do not crank the engine or operate accessories that draw more than 10A.

    NOTE: It is very important that continuity is not broken between the battery and the negative battery cable when connecting the meter. If this happens, the entire 40-minute procedure must be repeated.

    Connect the battery tester between the negative battery cable and the post. The meter must be capable of reading milliamps and should have a 10-amp capability.
  1. NOTE: If the meter settings need to be switched or the test leads need to be moved to another jack, the jumper wire must be reinstalled to avoid breaking continuity.

    Remove the jumper wire.
  1. Note the amperage draw. Draw varies from vehicle to vehicle depending on the equipment package. Compare to a similar vehicle for reference.
NOTE: If the vehicle sits for an extended period of time and the battery drains, there is the possibility of a control module staying alive and not going into sleep mode. If a module does stay alive, it can also result in battery drain. If a module is suspect, isolate individual modules by disconnecting each module one at a time and note if the excessive draw goes away.

NOTE: For vehicles equipped with aftermarket bodies or boxes which contain electrical connections, disconnect the aftermarket to factory connections to isolate the body from the chassis.

  1. If the current draw is excessive, remove the fuses from the BJB one at a time and note the current drop. When the current level drops to an acceptable level after removing a fuse, the circuit containing the excessive draw has been located. The excessive draw can be isolated by continuing to pull sub system fuses. Do not reinstall the fuses until testing is finished. To correctly isolate each of the circuits, all of the fuses may need to be removed, then install one fuse and note the amperage draw, remove the fuse and install the next fuse. Continue this process with each fuse.
    • Once the main circuit is identified, continue to remove the fuses from the SJB one at a time and note the current reading. Do not reinstall the fuses until testing is finished. To correctly isolate each of the circuits, all of the fuses may need to be removed, then install one fuse and note the amperage draw, remove the fuse and install the next fuse. Continue this process with each fuse.
  1. Check the wiring diagrams for any circuits that run from the battery without passing through the BJB or the SJB . If the current draw is still excessive, disconnect these circuits until the draw is found. Also, disconnect the generator electrical connections and retest if the draw cannot be located. The generator may be internally shorted, causing the current drain.
 

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With the ignition off, just push the power button on the radio. I have the Sony system, I don't know if it will work on the standard radio.
Hey! It works! Thanks Butcher!
I would have never thought that with out the button pushed you could listen to the radio...
I will try this at the drive-in next week.
If it does not stop the shutdown then its time for the bxt-65-850
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I discovered it "accidentally", a few weeks ago. Before posting in this thread, I went to my garage and tried it without my keys. Surprisingly, it still worked. Hopefully, you should be good to go next weekend.
 

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Well, I certainly learned something today! It doesn't work on my 2010 MKS with the THX system and I wouldn't have dreamed that it would work on any vehicle. We also have a 2014 Taurus that my wife drives so I presume it works with it. Thanks for sharing, Butcher. I wonder how many others know about this....
 

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Don't be surprised if when the radio is started in this manner that it shuts down after 10 minutes. It is a battery saving feature, just as the original question that Pitony asked. It is not indicative of a battery problem. It is Ford's way of keeping the convenience features on for a while without killing the battery.
The best thing for you to do next week at the drive in is to press the start button once without pressing the brake pedal, and you will go into accessory mode. Just make sure that during the intermission that you start the car fully and let it run for about 10 minutes.
 

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Hey! It works! Thanks Butcher!
I would have never thought that with out the button pushed you could listen to the radio...
I will try this at the drive-in next week.
Which year SHO did you try it on? I tried it on my 2010 and it didn't appear to work. :(

I opened the door, sat down in the driver's seat, pressed the radio power button, and nothing happened.
 

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Which year SHO did you try it on? I tried it on my 2010 and it didn't appear to work. :(

I opened the door, sat down in the driver's seat, pressed the radio power button, and nothing happened.

If you have the Sony system, try closing the door. That's a total shot in the dark, but give it a try.
 

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I tried the "push the stereo power button" on the 014.
I will go out and try it on the o11.
 

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If you have the Sony system, try closing the door. That's a total shot in the dark, but give it a try.
I have the Sony system and the door was closed and didn't work. Might be a change for the 13+ models.
 

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Update! The "Push the stereo power button" will not work on the 011 SHO.
The stereo clicks and shows the time then shuts down.
A few days ago I was waxing the 011 and playing the Chris Pine, Star Trek movie.
It played straight through without shutdown. Volume a few notches below max volume.
Accessory ON but it has the 850cc battery.
 

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Just pushing the power button on the stereo for the 014 has played now for 28 minuets w/o shutting down.
Accessory off.
Will update-IF When stereo shuts down and give elapsed time.
 

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