Absolutely amazing.......

[Osiris]

You all may remember me talking about a visit to a place called "Just Brakes" here in SA that informed me of a $450.00 brake job my car was in need of.

I went on further with the story and mentioned that I declined the work wishing to get a 2nd opinion, I got that opinion today.

I knew that the car, currently at 50,792 miles, was still on the original rear pads. I had the fronts done about 8K miles ago when I noticed a slight vibration upon braking not to mention a bit of squeal. I was told by that sorry ass shop that I needed new pad/rotors all around to cure the issue, not to mention a possible rebuild of the calipers. I had a shop replace the rear pads today along with a resurfacing of the rear rotors. Voila, no noise, no vibration, no problem.

The cost including parts was about 100 bucks. I went with the Napa "upgraded" pads, I heard they were pretty decent, it's just funny to realize now just how badly I would have been ***** had I said yes to those ********.

Be careful, those of you who are as mechanically inclined as I am, we tend to get screwed over if we're not careful.

 

[wuzzzer]

I had my front brakes replaced at a local Ford dealership, and even there it was only like $100 for new front brakes.

 

[JCU]

Doing a brake job on the SHO takes literally 15 minutes tops, provided you have some skills on how to loosen a bolt and compress the piston in the caliper.

 

[SCOTTDW]

Is there a seminar that you provide or are you just declaring what a bunch of F ups we all are.?

Scott
98SFSHO
K&N Panel
Magnaflows 3"tips
BFGoodrich KDWS

<small>[ September 28, 2002, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: SCOTTDW ]</small>

 

[SHOZ123]

Well if you discount the time to jack up the car and take off the wheels. Just replacing the pads in front may take 15 minutes a wheel. But you should also take the pins out and make sure they are clean, rust free and relube. If they aren't you have to clean them up and relube or put in new and relube.

The rears are a bit more difficult as the pistons need to be screwed in and at times this can be difficult. You should also open the bleeder valves in the back and front when you compress the pistons or screw them in so you don't push the old fluid back into the lines and maybe the ABS module. Which would necessitate a full flush something you should consider doing anually anyway.

It takes me a good 4 hours to do a good, full brake job on my car. This includes a new coat of paint on the calipers and rotors. I have found that the rear pins, if neglectied for over a year, will start to seize up here in Illinois. If they do you're in for a bit of trouble at the least of which is a set of ruined pads.

<small>[ September 29, 2002, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: SHOZ123 ]</small>

 

[JCU]

SCOTTDW:
Is there a seminar that you provide or are you just declaring what a bunch of F ups we all are.?

Anyone that would spend hundreds of dollars for a dealership or mechanic to do front, rear or both front and rear brakes, is either lazy, nuts or unskilled in the field of brakes. Granted, the rear brakes are a bit tougher than the front brakes but it isn't anything impossible. The only hard parts about the rears are the fact that the ebrake cables are in the way and you can either remove them from the caliper or keep them on. Also, the compressing of the rear piston can be tough if you don't have the proper tool. If you have the tool and don't jimmy rig some homemade jobber, it's not long nor hard.

The fronts, as I said before, if you have the ability to loosen two bolts, re-tighten them, open the brake fluid res., and then fill it, you'll be fine. A car enthusiast should know how to do a simple repair job as brakes. If your content pouring money down the drain, then by all means do so. Back to the subject at hand, front brakes on the SHO are one of the few easy jobs that is done on this car. People make things harder then they are. Let me give you an example of the time, effort and price when I do my brakes. I purchased bendix titanium metallic pads when I bopught my car a few years ago. The result was a one time fee of $35.00 for lifetime guarenteed pads. As for the labor, using the proper tools substantially lessens the time you spend doing it. Using a hydraulic jack and 4way lug wrench, and not the crap Ford provides you with, makes removing a tire a breeze. The rest, well, loosening the bolts and inserting new pads is barely time consuming. For the people that spend the money to have someone else do it, learn to do the job yourself using pads that hold a lifetime guarentee and you will realize how much money you could have saved all along.

Scottdw, are you an F up?

 

[Osiris]

Hey JCU... tool

Would I also be unskilled if I didn't have the time, tools or patience for a brake job?

Tell me, can you prepare a 5 course meal for 1,500 people using no pre-fabricated menus, meaing you create each course from your own experience in cuisine, of course keeping with the standards a 4 star, 4 diamond resort would have. This also includes staffing the necessary help, aquiring the needed equipment and dishware, buying food, choosing vendors, costing out the menu so you turn a profit, all within the course of a day or so?

If not, I guess that makes you unskilled, nuts or lazy.

****, all you need is the skill to turn on an oven, maybe use a calculator and be able to speak, right?

Comments like yours aren't needed here. If you have nothing decent to say go away.

<small>[ September 29, 2002, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: PrplSHO ]</small>

 

[Red Raspberry]

I don't have trouble removing the tires, it's just getting them back on the right side..... frown

 

[240zsho]

This is why I'm getting rid of my SHO. 95% of people that own them are yuppies that know NOTHING about cars. You guys know how to change your own oil? All I hear is whining about cams, transmissions, etc. Do you think these things run forever? Why do you feel it's Ford's obligation to pay for a repair on a car thats out of warrantee? They're sports cars- shit breaks on sports cars. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to sell your car and wonder why you can't get jack for it, thank v8sho.com for making it sound like every SHO's cam is ready to let loose at any second. How dumb is it to include peoples names that have had cam failures!!! Who's going to buy their cars now? What a bunch of zilches. Let me know when you learn how to change your oil. tool

 

[Osiris]

Thanks 240..now be gone.

You must have trouble reading. Most people on the v8 sho list have done alot of the work themselves. Half of the shops doing the work are run by people who are on the board to begin with.

I haven't seen anyone bitch about changing their own oil. If this is directed towards me because I took my car to a mechanic to get my brakes done, let me re-phrase for the mentally incompetent.

I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR TOOLS TO PERFORM THESE TYPES OF SERVICES.

I'm comfortable with doing them myself, I have owned 19 cars in the last 10 years, just about all of them I have done my own work to. Look at Paul Nimz, or Carter, or Mike Holhut, all these guys have probably done more with the GenIII than you have, for you to come on here and complain about what we find to be a flaw in the engine is a testament to your own ignorance.

I'll go out on a limb here and judge by your own name that you own or at least like Datsun Z cars. Great, I've had three of them, all I serviced myself. great cars, but not without flaws, I'm assuming you know this. I'll also assume that you'd be happier if Datsun did some things differently, like make the body more rust proof, or maybe have convinced Bosch that their fuel injection system for the 76 and up Z's was a little flawed. So why gripe about our beef with Ford?

These cams should last longer than they are. Ask any Maxima ( or any sports sedan ) owner how happy they'd be if they knew that they'll likely need a rebuild "Just because it's a sports car and shit breaks."

Again, nice post, now be gone. And sell that SHO to someone more deserving as soon as you can and get that new Cavalier you deserve.

tool

 

[LASTSHO]

240zsho:
This is why I'm getting rid of my SHO. 95% of people that own them are yuppies that know NOTHING about cars. You guys know how to change your own oil? All I hear is whining about cams, transmissions, etc. Do you think these things run forever? Why do you feel it's Ford's obligation to pay for a repair on a car thats out of warrantee? They're sports cars- shit breaks on sports cars. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to sell your car and wonder why you can't get jack for it, thank v8sho.com for making it sound like every SHO's cam is ready to let loose at any second. How dumb is it to include peoples names that have had cam failures!!! Who's going to buy their cars now? What a bunch of zilches. Let me know when you learn how to change your oil. tool

I for one don't appreciate the comments.

I can change my own oil. As can many of us.

I'm currently working on a custom ram air hood. In my garage...get it? I can do the work myself.

And I'm not a yuppie.

Get over yourself...and clean up your act or pay the consequences. Any future insults like this will be forwarded to the forum administrator for action.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Dave97SHO]

Like a turkey, staring straight up, drowning in a downpour.

Ignorance can be corrected, with the proper learning, practice and DESIRE TO LEARN AND DO.
I have no desire to learn some things. Brakes, oil changes are just a few of those. Yes I saw how easy it was, but I don't have any desire to do this. I'd rather pay someone to do it for me. I actually have better things to do with my "yuppie" time. (like installing more "I'm a UFO" rice lights LOL - or electronic/sound gear)

STUPIDITY on the other hand is permanent. So is that ban I'm a smellin' in the air. To come on this board with that raft of shi7 is like, well read the first sentence of this post, turkey.

tool shoot squint :barf:

 

[Dave97SHO]

Dave97SHO:
Like a turkey, staring straight up, drowning in a downpour.

I forgot to add the "with its mouth open" part. Smart turkey's know when to close their mouths.

btw: I can change my own oil, I just don't like the mess, nor do my children, or my women.

<small>[ October 02, 2002, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: Dave97SHO ]</small>

 

[stephen newberg]

"This is why I'm getting rid of my SHO. 95% of people that own them are yuppies that know NOTHING about cars."

You are getting rid of the car because other people that own the car do not know a lot about them or work on them themselves? That is seriously wacked. I suggest you get rid of your compter, radio and TV too. Most of the people that have those do not know all that much about how they work or how to fix them either.

That aside, there was a point in all that dross. The SHO is a sports sedan, and a lot of owners run them very hard. Stuff is going to break, just like on any machine that is run hard. And at times I do think we owners, as a group, get a bit overboard on the complaining, considering how much on these cars actually is excellent. The two big complaints, transmissions and cams, are not common failures from a total numbers standpoint, and are, I suspect, very dependent on prior use. It would be nice if Ford were to fix these problems, when they occasinally occur, at their cost. But, if you look at it dispassionately, they have excellent reasons for not doing so. Not good for customer relations for our small group type reasons, but solid business reasons none the less.

pax, smn

 

[Osiris]

I'd like to agree with you, Stephen but in some of the contact's storys you will find that a frequent number of the failures occured at low mileageand in most cases under normal if slower than normal acceleration.

I must ask this question then, if you look at the Cobra, with it's DOHC motor and higher redline, why is it that these cars, which will most definitely get wound out more than a GenIII will, not failing like ours do?

I will say that I am not paranoid about the cams on my car. If a failure occurs, at least within the next two years, I'm covered. In that time, I'll take the pilgrimage to GA and get them welded like everyone else. I believe I have a great car, I love driving it and for the last two years, has been very reliable.

So maybe the whining can be seen as excessive. OK, problem with that is with companies the size of Ford, whining is often the only way to get anywhere. Shit may break on sports cars, but not things like this, Ford should recognize it and take care of the issue, quality control with the domestic 3 is very important these days, Ford cannot afford to alienate more of it's dwindling customer base.